Mini-rant...
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fajrdrakoI would be really, really happy if I never read another Jack/Ianto fic in which Jack asks Ianto to stop calling him 'sir'.
Please.
fajrdrakoI would be really, really happy if I never read another Jack/Ianto fic in which Jack asks Ianto to stop calling him 'sir'.
Please.
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Part 2
Date: 2007-02-27 02:39 am (UTC)There're far more cliches travelling from fandom to fandom than we realize, and child abuse is a worst one. However, Ianto doesn't seem to me a person who has this sort of experience. It's far more likely for him to have lived a basically normal life before Canary Wharf: that's why the whole cyber!Lisa thing is even greater a shock and a tragedy to him. And his attitude in this tragedy is too positive to belong to someone who has been abused in childhood. An abused child won't have such confidence in fixing things. And an abused child often learns to believe what they've got is what they deserve. If he/she is abandoned or abused by the ones who should care about them, well, that's what things are like. He/she won't be in such a fury toward others like Ianto in "Cyberwoman". This is terrible, I know, but this is a way of self-protecting for us humans.
"Yan"...luckily I' not british and not sensitive at all when it comes to different regional accents. But I've got my own reason to dislike "Yan". I'm Chinese and "Yan" as a first name in Chinese is mostly for girls. So it's weird for me, too.
Re: Part 2
Date: 2007-02-27 03:54 am (UTC)Yes, perfect in a very literal sense. We see their entire relationship, almost everything they say to each other, almsot every moment they're together. There are no holes to fill, and no space to create a future. Not even a past in which they could have met before. Unless you go entirely AU, what you see it what you get. And it's beautiful.
As for Jack/Doctor, one has to deal with Rose, who is too important to them both to be excluded in a story.(OT3 then.)
Yes. Works for me. And I am working on a conceptually massive Doctor/Jack/Rose story which I hope will not turn out to be impossible. It's difficult, but I like a challenge. The fun of it (and the difficulty) is that each of the three relationships (Jack/Rose, Jack/Doctor, Doctor/Rose) is very different from the others.
I know my brain will explode facing the unconventionality of these two if I ever try to write one.
My brain has possibly already exploded. Or given up and gone to Blackpool for an extended holiday, leaving me to fend for myself in my delusional fanfic ambitions.
It's far more likely for him to have lived a basically normal life before Canary Wharf: that's why the whole cyber!Lisa thing is even greater a shock and a tragedy to him.
I think so. For one thing, the poignant optimism we see in "Cyberwoman", Ianto's faith that it will all turn out right and that he will be able to save Lisa - that to me implies a life in which this is the first and greatest tragedy, in which he has in the past had no severe trauma.
An abused child won't have such confidence in fixing things.
Neither such faith in himself, nor in his rashly-made promises, nor in his deep trust in other people. So I agree with all your conclusions there.
Re: Part 2
Date: 2007-02-28 01:01 am (UTC)OP3 can be fantastic in the right hands. Even Jack/Rose is so unconventional and interesting.
I don't know why, but a Doctor/Jack/Rose story should be massive, in my opinion. Massive with all sorts of actions and interactions. Or contains hundreds of drabbles.
Maybe our fanfic ambitions should be bigger on the inside, too...
Re: Part 2
Date: 2007-02-28 06:48 pm (UTC)Merci!
OP3 can be fantastic in the right hands.
Yes. I hope I can manage to get it right. It's there in my head, but only in bits and pieces, weaving themselves slowly together.
Even Jack/Rose is so unconventional and interesting.
Yes. They too are a study in contrasts, but so compatible. I love the way they tease each other and understand each other so well.
a Doctor/Jack/Rose story should be massive, in my opinion.
There's so much there. Easy to treat it as just sex, and could and might write PWPs about them, but the real point, the real challenge is to sort out the feelings and psychology of these three very different, very archetypal heroes to meld them into a true love story.
Massive with all sorts of actions and interactions
And levels of awareness and revelation....
Maybe our fanfic ambitions should be bigger on the inside, too...
I think that's true. It's easy to fall into patterns of 'short and simple', hard to bring it to the next step, and beyond. Creative challenge! That is the key.
I don't mean to imply that short things can't be powerful and deep. But usually they aren't.
Anyway, my fanfic ambitions seem to be so massive they mostly haven't happened yet...!
Re: Part 2
Date: 2007-02-28 07:37 pm (UTC)Fanfic writing is still based on the original materials. And every fandom is different. Different standards, different patterns. The same is about the ideal length of fanfics...I believe so. There're short and poignant pieces of writing, and there're fandoms where only short things work, like...HBO's 'Entourage'? As a whole, I'd say the fanfics of action films/TV-series/books need more of a plot and a greater length to pull off, like DW. Fanfic of a show about everyday life, like 'House', don't have to be massive. Everyday life is about fractions, scraps and patches.
Re: Part 2
Date: 2007-02-28 07:57 pm (UTC)I find that Torchwood fan writing has so far taking an unusually narrow scope - using the Hub as the setting, not doing much in the way of massive AUs or potentialities, but sticking close to the characters and events we see. Being introspective rather than speculative. This is neither good nor bad, just an interesting way for it to have gone.
Re: Part 2
Date: 2007-03-01 02:33 am (UTC)And like I said in another comment, the hub, as a basement, has a claustrophobic, prison-like feel. The hub is one of the most impressive and definitive things in Torchwood. It kind of influences our scope, I guess.
Re: Part 2
Date: 2007-03-01 04:03 am (UTC)More's the pity, but it whets the curiosity.
the hub, as a basement, has a claustrophobic, prison-like feel. </i. And that wonderful contrast between the old and the new, the shabby and the spiffy, the old-fashioned and the high-tech, light and dark, familiarity and mystery.... I love the way it has so many rooms and tunnels and levels, we don't even know how many, it just stretches out under Cardiff... but the tunnels don't actually lead anywhere except to dark recesses of the imagination. They all love working there and treat is as a home (all but Gwen, who has a 'real' home, because of Rhys), but there's something threatening and scary about it.
Re: Part 2
Date: 2007-03-01 05:06 am (UTC)Re: Part 2
Date: 2007-03-01 05:37 am (UTC)I like to think of the SUV as a sort of miniature mobile tendril of the Hub that reaches out when they go on a road trip, always in communication with the home base.