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Mia kara, not the City Hall job...!???

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Yes, the city hall job.

Here (http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=dfe491c4-438f-4e8e-bd97-84c7e1f3701b) is the article that was in the Citizen about her.

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Thank you. Wow. Um. What can I say? I'm incredibly surprised. I'd thought she was into it. And, clearly, her work there was fine. What makes her happy. It's all good. Wow....

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Yeah.

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Also... have you seen the mid-season Battlestar Galactica yet? I mistakenly thought this was the series-ender, so looked it up on TelevisionWithoutPity. I will say nothing. Just wondering if you've seen it yet. I have questions....

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No. I have not seen it. Maybe tonight - I hve it, just haven't found time to watch yet.

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Tell me when you have. We will talk.

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I watched the rest of Battlestar Galactica to date yesterday. What did you want to ask?

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Gad, I loved the solid thud right between the eyes of hearing that, when they got to Earth, it was a scorched ruin. WHOA. That was not in the brochure, pilgrims! I was much heartened by that turn.

And what's up with Starbuck? Does she think she's in touch with the gods, or ... what? I'm intrigued.

Lee Adama was president for a while? Hoo boy. Didn't see that one.

And Three is back from being "boxed." I like this. Three is out there on the fringe and I like that kind of character: own agenda, likely to betray anyone if she thinks she has to for her greater goal. And, um, really hot.

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I don't like anything that has anything to do with gods in Battlestar Galactica and I wish the religious theme wasn't even there, especially with Roslin. I liked Number Six's certainty about God, but not the rest. (And I miss Number Six.)

I loved Lee as President. I'm not sure he isn't still President.

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maaboroshi's comment was, "At least there isn't the Statue of Liberty sticking up somewhere."

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I liked the "gods" stuff. But it got embarrassing when they suddenly shifted from letting the characters say "goddamned" and made everyone say "gods-damned." Feh. Gimme shelter.

I will wait for the final moments of the show to make my judgement about whether their heavy reliance on religion was good or bad for my taste. It was done right on Deep Space Nine, and hardly ever done at all anywhere else, much less done well. (Babylon 5 tried, and made a total joke of it, alas.)

Lee as President? Hee. I'll look forward!

"At least there isn't the Statue of Liberty sticking up somewhere" -- but we need that. Either that, or the Eiffel Tower. How about if they found that globe thing and fountain and big panel with the writing on it that's in Cardiff? I dislike all this "America after the holocaust" crap. It was done right in a handful of things in the earlier decades of modern sci fi, and has not been done right since then to my knowledge. Enough, already. There was a perfectly lovely little future-devastation story called "Heart's-Ease" that used the premise that the islands of Britain had gone totally ga-ga and were back in the culture of the early Middle Ages, while everyone in Europe kept trying to sneak agents in and find ways to help them stop being so ignorant and oppressive. One of the agents was stoned as a witch, and good thing he was wearing a kevlar suit. But still -- ouch. Strange, strange little story.

And I miss Number Six.

Whoa! Where is she?

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I hated the religion on Deep Space Nine. I was so bored by it I stopped watching.

The Cardiff fountain - okay, you got me there!

I loved "By the Waters of Babylon" and even the first "Planet of the Apes", but the symbol-of-post-holocaust-wherever now feels like a cliché. Perhaps the problem is in transferring the concept (which I love) to the visual media like TV and movies.

I don't know where Six is, and it depends which Six we are talking about. Alas. I hope she's still in Baltar's head but we aren't seeing her.

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I hated the religion on Deep Space Nine. I was so bored by it I stopped watching.

Wow! It was a major keeping-point, for me. I want to write academic papers about it. The transformative journeys of Sisko and Kira were amazing and wonderful for me to vicariously experience. To each her own!

The Cardiff fountain -- hee.

Ah, I should have known that you would know "By the Waters of Babylon." (Then again, you have said more than once that you are not really into SF. Yet you are familiar with so many good early SF stories and books! I love the mystery that is you.) I first read it in an anthology when I was nine or ten. Then I ran into it in a junior-high English literature book that one of my softball teammates brought to practice one afternoon. I, um, think I helped her get an A on the test....

If Six is not still in Baltar's heard, I will be very upset with the producers. She needs to be there. All will be right with the world in the end if only she still resides in Baltar's head and whispers to him while someone else is talking.

I think that I ran into references that Caprica Six, who came back from the Base Star with Athena after she'd convinced Helo to shoot her so that she could be reborn over there and then grab their child and find a way to return to the Galactica... um, Caprica Six is now on Galactica, and did I see references to her being in a relationship with Tigh...?!!! Yuck.

I am totally tired of the Leoben model. I loathe his every moment of existence. And I am freaked out by Brother Cavil. The scenes played underneath Ellen Tigh were simply too much. Yuck. And what he did to the Chief was just evil. Screwing with his mind, when the Chief was there trying to get counseling for having beaten Cally so badly. (I know -- ancient history!)

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It was a major keeping-point, for me.

I was so bored by it. Didn't enjoy the religious bits at all. Finally there was so much talk about religion I decided enough was enough. Even though I had a crush on Kira and on Bashir. So it goes. They weren't central enough to hold me.

But you are infinitely more tolerant of religion in fiction than I am.

"By the Waters of Babylon" was in one of the short story anthologies in one of my high school English classes. It was a regular Ontario schools text book - I don't think we ever actually studied that story, I don't remember. But of course I read the whole book. (It's the only story there that I remember, now.)

If Caprica Six had a relationship of any sort with Tigh, I missed it! (No wonder I am confused by the plot now.) I have now seen all the episodes to date.

Leoben hasn't been around much since he had Starbuck as his prisoner, though we saw him again at the end.

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BTW, I watched those first season episodes of Dr. Who with Captain Jack that you told me about, and I have to say I like the lighthearted, devil-may-care Captain Jack of Dr. Who much better than the Oh-So-Serious Captain Jack of Torchwood.

Is there more Captain Jack in Season Two of Dr. Who (I've seen the first four episodes and he's not in those)? I haven't quite made the connection between the Captain Jack of Season One and how he ended up heading up Torchwood yet.

And I've decided I like Christopher Eccleston after all. Not as much as I like David Tennant, but that's mostly because I tend to daydream about Tennant playing Miles while I'm watching him bounce around madly as the Doctor [g].

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I like the lighthearted, devil-may-care Captain Jack of Dr. Who much better than the Oh-So-Serious Captain Jack of Torchwood.

So do I.

Is there more Captain Jack in Season Two of Dr. Who

No. He doesn't appear again until season 3.

I haven't quite made the connection between the Captain Jack of Season One and how he ended up heading up Torchwood yet.

We eventually learn how to fill in the gaps. But you've a way to go before you get to explanations - insofar as we've had them.

I've decided I like Christopher Eccleston after all.

Yay!

I tend to daydream about Tennant playing Miles while I'm watching him bounce around madly as the Doctor [g].

Yes, he's very Miles-like. One of the reasons I love him.

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Well, ptui. I really would like to know what happened to Jack between when Rose brought him back to life in the last episode of Dr. Who Season 1 and when Torchwood began, if only to find out why he suddenly lost his sense of humor. I'm just now getting access to the DVDs of Season 2 of Torchwood via Netflix. And I want to finish Season 2 of Dr. Who first, and perhaps the rest of Season 1 (I've seen all of Season 1 of Torchwood via the CBC, which I get on my cable). I have got this whole mess so out of order it's amazing I'm not completely confused.

Yes, he's very Miles-like. One of the reasons I love him. Too bad he's too old for the part except perhaps for ACC or DI.

You know, I didn't realize that the Doctor's name wasn't Dr. Who (you know, like the Madeleine L'Engle character Mrs. Who), but just the Doctor until I saw the last couple of episodes. Verra strange. But at least I finally got the explanation for the police box...

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I really would like to know what happened to Jack between when Rose brought him back to life in the last episode of Dr. Who Season 1 and when Torchwood began, if only to find out why he suddenly lost his sense of humor.

You will find out more about that. Mostly that a lot of really bad things happened to him. And his sense of humour comes back a but in series 2, though ... not conistently. (Inconsistency of characterization is IMHO the worst aspect of the show.)

I didn't realize that the Doctor's name wasn't Dr. Who (you know, like the Madeleine L'Engle character Mrs. Who), but just the Doctor until I saw the last couple of episodes.

I liked the discussions of that with Rose in "The Empty Child" where she said something like, "you don't have a name! Don't you ever get tired of 'Doctor'? Doctor who?" and the Doctor said, "Nine centuries in, I'm coping."

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So, when (and in what episodes) do I find out this "more" thing you speak of?

"The Empty Child" discussion was exactly what I was talking about. It gave me the giggles.

BTW, do we ever find out why he's called The Doctor? As opposed, to, say, something else?

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when (and in what episodes) do I find out this "more" thing you speak of?

I'll have to think about that. Hints and bits and pieces in different episodes. "Fragments" is one that deals with Jack's past in the 20th century somewhat.

do we ever find out why he's called The Doctor? As opposed, to, say, something else?

Not as far as I know. It's the name he gave himself.... I assumed it was because he likes to fix things, parallel to the Master, who wants to control others. Other Time Lords seem to have normal names. (Or sort of normal.)

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I take it "Fragments" is in Season 3 of Dr. Who?

I assumed it was because he likes to fix things, parallel to the Master, who wants to control others.

Huh. I hadn't thought of it that way.

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"Fragments" is the second-last episode of Torchwood series 2.

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