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That was fun. That was so much fun I won't even complain about the absence of Claude. Of course, as I reflected a few times, he could be there, in any of the scenes, especially since we didn't see the Haitian.

Much shrieking and squeeing and speculating from me and [livejournal.com profile] maaboroshi as we watched. Things I particularly loved:

- Mr. Bennet using Matt and Nuclear Guy to escape; that was brilliant. he is so smart and they are so dumb. What a team. [livejournal.com profile] maaboroshi said, "It's the two and a half stooges!" I found poor dumb Matt so annoying for a while, but he was delightful here.

- Nathan's comment to Claire about his mother: "She isn't always so cold." But we don't learn what her power is.

- Nathan's collapse over Peter's apparently dead body. (Don't those people ever read comic books? Don't they know no one ever stays dead?) I thought he was going to start kissing the corpse. And their later dialogue: "I'm nothing without you!" Whew. This brotherly relationship is maybe less strange if it's actually sexual - it's certainly a hotbed of psychological intensity. Incestuous or not, the family dynamics there are bizarre. I love the way Nathan is both controlling of Peter and dependent on him. I liked Peter's hair better the way it was before; but I still adore Peter, however he looks.

- The end: Hiro meets Hiro. Wow. We figure that Hiro is going back in time, trying to fix what went wrong, mapping the timeline each time, using Isaac's apartment as a base, until he can make everything turn out right. A person has to agree with Ando: "I'm confused!"

- Was Sylar painting himself in the White House? [livejournal.com profile] maaborohsi figured what Linderman must be intending to use Mica for: vote-rigging in the federal elections coming up, to get Nathan elected. They have electronic voting in the States.

- Candice becoming Jessica (or Niki) to deliver Mica to Linderman. Her power is so cool. She seems so nasty.

- Where'd the Haitian go?

- Why does Mama Petrelli want to take Claire to Paris?

- I used to think Nathan was horrible, scary and creepy; now I think he's sympathetic and creepy. His mother is Machiavellian. Linderman is crazy - though I liked the point made in wikipedia: that Linderman's plot to do good by wiping out half of New York and bringing hope to the world, is the same as the plot of Watchmen by Alan Moore. The problem being, that was the part of Watchmen I didn't like. Methinks Tim Kring has been reading some comic books.

- Now that Peter has met, confronted, and fought Sylar, he must have all Sylar's powers, if he can figure out what they are. That would include telekinesis and super-hearing and goodness knows what else.

- Since [livejournal.com profile] maaboroshi and I both realized that it wasn't either Niki or Jessica with Mica at the end, surely Mica realized it too? Since he seems to be able to tell Niki and Jessica apart even when one is pretending to be the other, presumably he can tell when it's neither of them. And Mica is smart. Maybe he'll save the day.

- When will we learn Mohinder's power? When will Mohinder learn his power? When will he finally do something that doesn't come to disaster?

- Loved Claire's grandmother's line to her, something along the lines of: "That mouth of yours, that comes from me."

Date: 2007-04-24 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raissad.livejournal.com
I think Grandma Petrelli is clairvoyant. Remember, Peter had that dream about Nathan and Heidi's accident before he met Isaac and absorbed his precog ability. I think he absorbed his mom's power. Mama Petrelli did say to the boys that she knew about things before they did in tonight's episode.

HRG rocked, and I could be wrong, but I think he's lying about not knowing the Linderman connection. Also, I have a theory about Claire. It's too long to type out, again, so I'll just give the blog link...

http://www.herosite.net/blogs/otto/2007/03/118_parasite.html#comment-1007

Claire did get a lot of info out of Grandma Petrelli without really working for it. All she had to do was be Claire and be There. She learned that Grandma was behind the Haitian, that Grandma and Hubby made provisions for her (info which might be significant later), that Grandma has a power, and assuming she overheard, that Grandma is willing to put the election above Peter. These revelations will undoutedly inform what Claire does from here on out.

Re: Isaac -- That has to be one of the coolest pre-death character confrontations I've seen in recent years.

Date: 2007-04-24 10:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I think Grandma Petrelli is clairvoyant.... Mama Petrelli did say to the boys that she knew about things before they did in tonight's episode.

Oh, good one! That could well be it. And didn't she say something like she didn't expect Peter's death?

HRG rocked, and I could be wrong, but I think he's lying about not knowing the Linderman connection.

Maybe. He has no reason to tell his stooges, er, I mean, companions, the truth.

I like your comments about Claire.

Isaac -- That has to be one of the coolest pre-death character confrontations I've seen in recent years.

It certainly was. Multilayered suspense, strong characters, and nothing predictable about any of it.... This show's avoidance of cliche amazes and delights me.

Date: 2007-04-24 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glinda-north.livejournal.com
I'm not sure Grandma Petrelli is clairvoyant. She might be, but I'm pretty sure Mister Deveaux was the psychic dreamer. My guess is that she knew about the boys because of her connection to Primatech/Linderman/etc. And possibly because of her husband, who I'm guessing was also special (but couldn't deal with it, hence his suicide. If it was actually suicide).

Date: 2007-04-24 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I'd be willing to bet money it wasn't suicide.

So what do you think Mama Petrelli's powers might be?

Date: 2007-04-24 10:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glinda-north.livejournal.com
I wouldn't bet against you there.

Haven't a clue what her power might be, if she has one. It sure looked for a moment, though, like she was going to show something to Claire when she stood up, didn't it? Freezing things? (Just playing off Nathan's comment about her.) Nope, haven't a clue. I mean, I never would have guessed in a million years that Linderman was a healer (or more! Was that plant dead or just very, very sick?). Do you have any thoughts on what her powers might be?

Date: 2007-04-25 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
It sure looked for a moment, though, like she was going to show something to Claire when she stood up, didn't it?

yes. I wish she had!

Freezing things? (Just playing off Nathan's comment about her.)

Hee - good guess!

I mean, I never would have guessed in a million years that Linderman was a healer (or more! Was that plant dead or just very, very sick?).

Hard to tell. He seemed to have a rejuvenating effect on it. But if he could raise the dead - if he could do it en masse - that might say something new about his plan to blow up New York.

Do you have any thoughts on what her powers might be?

Well, when Peter was brought in dead, I wondered if she was able to heal others. My guess would be that her powers aren't overtly physical - I keep wanting to connect them to shoplifting somehow. But how?

Date: 2007-04-30 01:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raissad.livejournal.com
Hard to tell. He seemed to have a rejuvenating effect on it. But if he could raise the dead - if he could do it en masse - that might say something new about his plan to blow up New York.

He can't raise the dead. That was established in Part II of the Dallas/Austin/Lonestar storyline:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=26

Our friendly neighborhood mob boss willl be aiding and abetting mass murder.

Date: 2007-04-30 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Or instigating it. Quite a monster!

Date: 2007-04-30 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raissad.livejournal.com
Here's what I find interesting. There are parallels between Linderman and Claire...

*He can heal others, but he can't bring others back from the dead; she can't heal others, but she can heal herself, even back from death.

*His godfearing parents freak and effectively disown him; her godfearing mother calls her a miracle, asserting that "God makes us all the way we are."

Linderman's psychosis set in when Petrelli wouldn't let him heal Au Co; The catchphrase from the beginning has been "Save the cheerleader; save the world.

Is there a literal, as well as thematic tie between them apart from the fact that Linderman runs the company HRG works for?

I think Grandma Angela stepped out with Linderman and Peter is actually his son. There are physical similarities between young Linderman and Peter, and they both initially chose healthcare-related jobs.

And yes, if this is true, and if Linderman knows who Peter is, it makes him even sicker.

Date: 2007-04-30 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I love the idea that Peter is Linderman's son! That's a good one.

I don't think anything here is purely symbolic or thematic - that is, I think it all has practical meaning, including the various symbols.

I think Linderman is sicker than we guess, either way.

Date: 2007-04-24 05:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haydenthorne.livejournal.com
I'd love to see Jessica cream Candice. Seriously. Candice has cool powers, but she's got to go.

Date: 2007-04-24 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com
I'm betting that that's exactly what's going to happen.

Date: 2007-04-24 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Well, what other possibilities are there? really, would you like to be in Candice's shoes right now? I don't think so!

Date: 2007-04-24 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
My comment when we saw Jessica drive up was: "Candice is dead now."

I think Micah is smarter than Linderman, too.

Date: 2007-04-24 05:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raissad.livejournal.com
Candice does have to go. She's a complete sociopath and is just eew.

Btw, HRG has to be lying about not knowing the Linderman connection. After all, he put Hana on to the Lonestar file in that most recent six-part graphic novel, and the Lonestar file was all about Linderman.

Date: 2007-04-24 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Candice does have to go. She's a complete sociopath and is just eew.

Sadly, yes. I love the idea of shape-shifters but she's a really bad one. Maybe we will get a good one... or maybe we'll get to see Peter use her powers.

HRG has to be lying about not knowing the Linderman connection.

So we all thought. But why?

Date: 2007-04-24 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raissad.livejournal.com
In the long term, I don't know. In the short-term, I just realized something: He wouldn't be lying entirely if Linderman were part of his memory-wipe. He might need Matt's telepathic info gathering as reminders of what he needs to remember, now. Or, he could have left a remind me later back-up plan in place with Hana.

Date: 2007-04-24 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
He wouldn't be lying entirely if Linderman were part of his memory-wipe.

True. Who knows how much of his memory was taken?

he could have left a remind me later back-up plan in place with Hana.

He's clever enough to have done that.

The Latest Graphic Novel

Date: 2007-04-24 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raissad.livejournal.com
...Addresses a major plot point re: Peter and the bomb. You've got to check it out:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/index.shtml?novel=30

Re: The Latest Graphic Novel

Date: 2007-04-28 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
This is very interesting, isn't it? Yes, alternate futures and alternates pasts.... and it was Sylar who blew up. Hmm.

Date: 2007-04-24 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vervassal.livejournal.com
The whole "Nothing without you" scene was my favorite scene in the episode, and possibly my favorite scene in any show ever. It didn't pull any punches, it wasn't overly slashy or overly emo ("What do you do with something that killed you?" *g* Oh, Peter!)- it was just good, and very satisfying. The emotions felt very real, and I loved that.

It's definitely going in my top ten scenes ever list, right along with Lawrence and "I liked it" and Satan Pit's "Oh... she knows."1

So much love right now.

1.I don't actually have one, but I'm going to make one right now.



Date: 2007-04-24 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
What a great list! I like your choices.

Date: 2007-05-01 12:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raissad.livejournal.com
The next new ep, Five Years Gone, is tonight. Brace yourself for dark.

Date: 2007-05-01 01:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Brace yourself for dark.

It was! I loved it!

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