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Well. End of another series. I'm going to miss this show very much indeed.

I watched this with Sheila. We had a bit of a marathon, starting with "Turn Left" and then "The Stolen Earth" before watching "Journey's End". It was nice to see the continuity.

Brief comments on 'Journey's End':
  1. Russell T Davies does seem to be plugging the holes and bringing back themes and plot points from all his previous seasons. Lots of 'reset' buttons being pushed.

  2. Loved the events at Torchwood - a time-locked fortress within Cardiff. And Tosh's doing, too - she saves them again from beyond the grave. I love it too that Jack had total faith they'd be alive when he got home, despite all indications.

  3. Captain Jack was wonderful in this episode. Just the way I like to see him. Well, actually, I'd have liked much more focus on him, and something more personal with the Doctor, but that's all right. The Doctor showed both appreciation and respect for him, the personal connection was there. My craving for the relationship between them elicited all sorts of good signs, even an implication that the Doctor, in his own flighty fashion, stays in touch with Jack.

    I was disappointed that the Doctor sabotaged the vortex manipulator again. Why's he so determined to keep Jack in one time? I also think Jack can fix the wristband, so it's a moot point. I am not unhappy.

  4. Does this mean Mickey will join Torchwood? I'm not sure I like that. I liked Mickey's role in Doctor Who mainly because of his connection with Rose. There is an interesting rationale for him on Torchwood: he's had experience in the other universe. Do I like Mickey enough to want him there? So far, no, but it all depends on the writing and the characterization. This is not the Mickey of series 1. Must remember that.

  5. The Doctor removed Donna's memories of him. Did we know he could do that?

  6. [livejournal.com profile] nina_ds had talked about 'noisy' episodes in this show, especially as finales, and I think it was. I liked it - even liked its noisiness - but there were so many pyrotechnics, so many wild tricks - I would have liked a quiet moment somewhere. I was moved, but it was all... in a big way.

  7. So did Donna become a sort of Bad Wolf herself? The Time Lord human? As a woman with a Time Lord brain, she was funny. I loved her as a companion, and will miss her.

  8. Jackie didn't have much of a role. I can't think why her presence was necessary to the story. Just for nostalgia's sake?

  9. Loved the explanation, hinted at before, that a TARDIS is meant to be run by six people. So why doesn't the Doctor travel with five companions? Perhaps because he likes his independence - one or two companions is good company, but more than that would crimp his style.

  10. Rose now has her Doctor. I'm not sure I like the implication that a mortal can only love or live with another mortal - Ianto and Jack are doing fine with their asymmetrical affair. Our Doctor couldn't tell Rose he loved her because she would then never have left him. I'm not sure why she had to go back to her other universe, but I'm not sorry she did.

    I have always liked the implication that the Doctor was upset by their parting in "Doomsday" not so much because they wereseparated (though he missed her) but because she had gone to that universe unwillingly, and was desperately unhappy with it. Now she can be content there. Though if I was her, I'd still prefer to be with the Time Lord, travelling in time and space.

  11. Loved it that Donna fancied Jack.

  12. Loved Gramps better than ever, and it was nice to see Sylvia sticking up for Donna. I love it that Gramps will remember the Doctor and Donna's adventures with him.

  13. Loved Action!Martha. I find it interesting that Tom Milligan was not so much as mentioned in this episode or last. It's the end of the world, and Martha subconsciously chooses to be with her mother and not her fiancé? That strikes me as odd.

  14. Is Dalek Caan still alive? He was not recreated from Davros' body, so I would assume he is. And the Daleks may return in future.

  15. The human Doctor destroyed the Daleks. Another connection, I assume, between humans and violence? Again, the Doctor is exculpated? Or is he? In this case, he didn't kill Daleks... he mostly just observed what was going on.

    I loved the discussion of his guilt: Davros pointing out that he may not use weapons but he has more or less trained humans as weapons. But they have their own free will, and the Doctor has his own guilty conscience. I loved all of that.

    I found Davros more interesting here than in "The Stolen Earth".

  16. I loved the force-filed prisons and the time-lock shields and so many of the alien-tech gimmicks. Including especially the use of the TARDIS. Tossing it into the incineratior! Woo.

  17. Loved it that Jack used his inability to die to outwit the Daleks, or try to.

  18. Am I right that Martha still has her teleportation device? Cool.

  19. I can hardly wait for more Sarah Jane Adventures. I hope we see more of Martha, too. Though I generally like the way Rose was used in series 4, I'm just as happy if we don't see her again. And Donna? They seem to have effectively written her out - though not necessarily. She could always meet the Doctor again. Two coincidental meetings - why not a third? Which she would think was the first.

    Though of course even without other workings of Destiny, their second meeting wasn't by chance: she'd been looking for him in the likely places for more than a year.

  20. I cried. I can't remember when I cried, but I did. Not at the end. Somewhere in the middle.

  21. The hand grew into the human Doctor, right? And no longer exists as a hand. Pity. I liked that hand.

  22. So what do I do now? Watch series 4 over again? Better still, watch series 1, 2, 3 and 4 again, topped off with Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood? It feels like a long time till I'll get anything new.



Date: 2008-08-14 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kensieg.livejournal.com
I can't wait for eleven! I wish he had done a full regeneration in Journey's End.

Date: 2008-08-14 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I wish he had done a full regeneration in Journey's End.

How cool that would have been. Just think how fandom would have been astonished. (We were astonished as it was.)

So what do you think Eleven will, or should be, like?

Date: 2008-08-14 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kensieg.livejournal.com
I wish he were a bit more like Methos. "Just because I don't like to fight doesn't I don't know how." He often seems to want to surrender first. He seems to be afraid of guns and self-defense. I wish he were a little bit more like Three(?) who was friends with the Brigadier.

More like Eight or Nine. I wish we could bring Gallifrey back. Without other Time Lords he's becoming unpleasant.


I hope that Eleven would have a sense of humor. He would like humans more and not have disguised contempt for them.

We may not have the technology or abilities that Time Lords have but we are adult free people. We don't want the Doctor as a benevolent dictator.

I'd like Eleven to be less mad and have a better sense of perspective about things. I like Torchwood but the endless innuendo from Capt Jack and PC from Gwen is annoying.

Maybe the Doctor is going down the slippery slope to being the Valeyard. I would like to see Eleven more cheerful or at least not quite so emo.

I'd love for the Moffat to make the new series more like Classic Who. It couldn't hurt for him to check out how JMS wrote the characters on B5.

Date: 2008-08-14 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I wish he were a bit more like Methos

Woo. Brilliant answer. I'll have to think about it.

He often seems to want to surrender first.

Well. He's suicidal.

Without other Time Lords he's becoming unpleasant.

You think that's what makes the difference? That hadn't occurred to me.

I hope that Eleven would have a sense of humor. He would like humans more and not have disguised contempt for them.

Very important. I would go so far as to say I want a Doctor who can love humans individually without panicking, but that's just my spin.

We don't want the Doctor as a benevolent dictator.

Or as someone who thinks it would be okay to be a benevolent dictator. Or who allows his compatriot the malignant dictator to live to kill millions of humans and enslave the rest. (Sorry. Sore point.)

I like Torchwood but the endless innuendo from Capt Jack and PC from Gwen is annoying.

Hmm. Okay. I don't see the endless innuendo - I wish I did, because I'd like to see more, I don't think we get enough of it. And PC from Gwen? Obviously I'm oblivious to it. There are things about Torchwood that drive me nuts, but those aren't the things.

Maybe the Doctor is going down the slippery slope to being the Valeyard.

What does that mean?

I'd love for the Moffat to make the new series more like Classic Who.

He might. He just might. I don't know what I'll think. It depends how he does it.

I didn't much like the characters on B5. Well, actually, there was one character I loved and they ruined him so badly I still hold a grudge.




Date: 2008-08-15 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kensieg.livejournal.com
the Valeyard is in Classic Who. He is the Doctor in his 13th incarnation. He embodied all the Dr's worst traits. He was in Trial of a Time Lord.


B5 is my all time favorite show ever. Things made sense (eventually) and characters were well developed.

Date: 2008-08-15 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
He is the Doctor in his 13th incarnation. He embodied all the Dr's worst traits.

Interesting idea!

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