Doctor Who: Journey's End...
Jul. 6th, 2008 12:28 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Well. End of another series. I'm going to miss this show very much indeed.
I watched this with Sheila. We had a bit of a marathon, starting with "Turn Left" and then "The Stolen Earth" before watching "Journey's End". It was nice to see the continuity.
Brief comments on 'Journey's End':
- Russell T Davies does seem to be plugging the holes and bringing back themes and plot points from all his previous seasons. Lots of 'reset' buttons being pushed.
- Loved the events at Torchwood - a time-locked fortress within Cardiff. And Tosh's doing, too - she saves them again from beyond the grave. I love it too that Jack had total faith they'd be alive when he got home, despite all indications.
- Captain Jack was wonderful in this episode. Just the way I like to see him. Well, actually, I'd have liked much more focus on him, and something more personal with the Doctor, but that's all right. The Doctor showed both appreciation and respect for him, the personal connection was there. My craving for the relationship between them elicited all sorts of good signs, even an implication that the Doctor, in his own flighty fashion, stays in touch with Jack.
I was disappointed that the Doctor sabotaged the vortex manipulator again. Why's he so determined to keep Jack in one time? I also think Jack can fix the wristband, so it's a moot point. I am not unhappy. - Does this mean Mickey will join Torchwood? I'm not sure I like that. I liked Mickey's role in Doctor Who mainly because of his connection with Rose. There is an interesting rationale for him on Torchwood: he's had experience in the other universe. Do I like Mickey enough to want him there? So far, no, but it all depends on the writing and the characterization. This is not the Mickey of series 1. Must remember that.
- The Doctor removed Donna's memories of him. Did we know he could do that?
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nina_ds had talked about 'noisy' episodes in this show, especially as finales, and I think it was. I liked it - even liked its noisiness - but there were so many pyrotechnics, so many wild tricks - I would have liked a quiet moment somewhere. I was moved, but it was all... in a big way.
- So did Donna become a sort of Bad Wolf herself? The Time Lord human? As a woman with a Time Lord brain, she was funny. I loved her as a companion, and will miss her.
- Jackie didn't have much of a role. I can't think why her presence was necessary to the story. Just for nostalgia's sake?
- Loved the explanation, hinted at before, that a TARDIS is meant to be run by six people. So why doesn't the Doctor travel with five companions? Perhaps because he likes his independence - one or two companions is good company, but more than that would crimp his style.
- Rose now has her Doctor. I'm not sure I like the implication that a mortal can only love or live with another mortal - Ianto and Jack are doing fine with their asymmetrical affair. Our Doctor couldn't tell Rose he loved her because she would then never have left him. I'm not sure why she had to go back to her other universe, but I'm not sorry she did.
I have always liked the implication that the Doctor was upset by their parting in "Doomsday" not so much because they wereseparated (though he missed her) but because she had gone to that universe unwillingly, and was desperately unhappy with it. Now she can be content there. Though if I was her, I'd still prefer to be with the Time Lord, travelling in time and space. - Loved it that Donna fancied Jack.
- Loved Gramps better than ever, and it was nice to see Sylvia sticking up for Donna. I love it that Gramps will remember the Doctor and Donna's adventures with him.
- Loved Action!Martha. I find it interesting that Tom Milligan was not so much as mentioned in this episode or last. It's the end of the world, and Martha subconsciously chooses to be with her mother and not her fiancé? That strikes me as odd.
- Is Dalek Caan still alive? He was not recreated from Davros' body, so I would assume he is. And the Daleks may return in future.
- The human Doctor destroyed the Daleks. Another connection, I assume, between humans and violence? Again, the Doctor is exculpated? Or is he? In this case, he didn't kill Daleks... he mostly just observed what was going on.
I loved the discussion of his guilt: Davros pointing out that he may not use weapons but he has more or less trained humans as weapons. But they have their own free will, and the Doctor has his own guilty conscience. I loved all of that.
I found Davros more interesting here than in "The Stolen Earth". - I loved the force-filed prisons and the time-lock shields and so many of the alien-tech gimmicks. Including especially the use of the TARDIS. Tossing it into the incineratior! Woo.
- Loved it that Jack used his inability to die to outwit the Daleks, or try to.
- Am I right that Martha still has her teleportation device? Cool.
- I can hardly wait for more Sarah Jane Adventures. I hope we see more of Martha, too. Though I generally like the way Rose was used in series 4, I'm just as happy if we don't see her again. And Donna? They seem to have effectively written her out - though not necessarily. She could always meet the Doctor again. Two coincidental meetings - why not a third? Which she would think was the first.
Though of course even without other workings of Destiny, their second meeting wasn't by chance: she'd been looking for him in the likely places for more than a year. - I cried. I can't remember when I cried, but I did. Not at the end. Somewhere in the middle.
- The hand grew into the human Doctor, right? And no longer exists as a hand. Pity. I liked that hand.
- So what do I do now? Watch series 4 over again? Better still, watch series 1, 2, 3 and 4 again, topped off with Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood? It feels like a long time till I'll get anything new.
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Date: 2008-07-06 02:45 pm (UTC)I thought so too. I'm happy about Martha. Mixed feelings about Mickey - it depends what they do with him. My sense of Mickey is all tied up in his plot/theme with Rose. Without Rose, what is he like? I don't know. I'm not particularly curious but if they have ideas, it might be interesting. It would be interesting to have two members of the Torchwood team experienced in travel in time and space. And one of them with her personal post-Sontaran teleportation device.
Jack even has that line about finding Martha something better than UNIT at the end.
I love they way they are featuring UNIT, good and bad. I'd love to see Torchwood run the Valiant. (not that I don't love the Hub, and it seems they want to keep Torchwood's adventures in and around present-day Cardiff.)
I don't know if he has ever had 5, but he has definitely travelled with several at a time in the older Who series.
No reason he couldn't have as many companions as he wants. I assume the Doctor keeps himself to one or two companions now because of his post-Time-War PTSS problems. This has the following effects:
(1) we can focus on his relationships and interplay with one companion at a time, which makes for better stories
(2) we get a badly-behaved TARDIS that thinks for itself sometimes, leading to interesting storylines
(3) we get those wonderful scenes of the Doctor driving with his feet and hopping around the place and using percussive driving techniques
So I don't want him to get a full crew and 'fix' things. But I'm sure Jack would be helpful, if he kept him around for a bit - ! Okay, that was self-serving of me to say. But it was sincere. [g]
Only if she goes back to Germany and collects it - she wasn't wearing it when the Daleks took her out of the Osterhagen station.
If I was her, I'd pick it up. Can't leave something like that lying around. And if she goes back for it an it's gone, there's another plot waiting to be told.
how cool was it when the Daleks were speaking German?
I loved that almost as much as the Doctor speaking Judoon in the previous episode.
I hate that so much I am still largely incoherent about it and tend to end up muttering "bastards, bastards, bastards" a lot.
Understandable. I don't hate it, at least not yet, it hasn't touched my emotional buttons. But I'm struggling to know what to make of it.
I believe the implication is that Donna can never be told or encounter anything again that would revive her memories without being destroyed.
There's a way around anything. The Doctor's intentions are benign, but I want her to remember. Like people who spontaneously remember despite Retcon.
Because she was so fantastic and now she's stuck back being stifled and small and believing she isn't special.
Yes. I want her to remember that. Rose remembers everything except the height of the Vortex experience - why not get that for Donna? If the Doctor could remove memories, couldn't he fix it so that she just loses the Time Lord experience at the end?
I was actually uncomfortable with Donna-as-time-lord because it was (a) such an echo of Rose as vortex goddess and (b) unlike Donna - her special brilliant consists in being human, not being Time Lord. I loved that moment in "The Stolen Earth" when she proclaimed that being a human was as good as being a Time Lord. So - this wasn't a moment I liked. Must think it through.
though I liked Sylvia finally sticking up for her, the way she told the Doctor to get out when he called her on attitude does not suggest to me that she is going to be any better at being supportive in the long run.
No, I agree. The relationship won't have changed because Donna won't have changed. And Sylvia is still a controller.
Donna deserved a far better ending than that.
Yes. I haven't lost hope that we'll get it. I wonder what Steven Moffat thinks of Donna. Mind you, given what he did with River Song, I'm not sure he'd do better.