Doctor Who: Journey's End...

[fajrdrako]

Well. End of another series. I'm going to miss this show very much indeed.

I watched this with Sheila. We had a bit of a marathon, starting with "Turn Left" and then "The Stolen Earth" before watching "Journey's End". It was nice to see the continuity.

Brief comments on 'Journey's End':

1. Russell T Davies does seem to be plugging the holes and bringing back themes and plot points from all his previous seasons. Lots of 'reset' buttons being pushed.
   
   
2. Loved the events at Torchwood - a time-locked fortress within Cardiff. And Tosh's doing, too - she saves them again from beyond the grave. I love it too that Jack had total faith they'd be alive when he got home, despite all indications.
   
   
3. Captain Jack was wonderful in this episode. Just the way I like to see him. Well, actually, I'd have liked much more focus on him, and something more personal with the Doctor, but that's all right. The Doctor showed both appreciation and respect for him, the personal connection was there. My craving for the relationship between them elicited all sorts of good signs, even an implication that the Doctor, in his own flighty fashion, stays in touch with Jack.
   
   I was disappointed that the Doctor sabotaged the vortex manipulator again. Why's he so determined to keep Jack in one time? I also think Jack can fix the wristband, so it's a moot point. I am not unhappy.
   
   
4. Does this mean Mickey will join Torchwood? I'm not sure I like that. I liked Mickey's role in Doctor Who mainly because of his connection with Rose. There is an interesting rationale for him on Torchwood: he's had experience in the other universe. Do I like Mickey enough to want him there? So far, no, but it all depends on the writing and the characterization. This is not the Mickey of series 1. Must remember that.
   
   
5. The Doctor removed Donna's memories of him. Did we know he could do that?
   
   
6. nina_ds had talked about 'noisy' episodes in this show, especially as finales, and I think it was. I liked it - even liked its noisiness - but there were so many pyrotechnics, so many wild tricks - I would have liked a quiet moment somewhere. I was moved, but it was all... in a big way.
   
   
7. So did Donna become a sort of Bad Wolf herself? The Time Lord human? As a woman with a Time Lord brain, she was funny. I loved her as a companion, and will miss her.
   
   
8. Jackie didn't have much of a role. I can't think why her presence was necessary to the story. Just for nostalgia's sake?
   
   
9. Loved the explanation, hinted at before, that a TARDIS is meant to be run by six people. So why doesn't the Doctor travel with five companions? Perhaps because he likes his independence - one or two companions is good company, but more than that would crimp his style.
   
   
10. Rose now has her Doctor. I'm not sure I like the implication that a mortal can only love or live with another mortal - Ianto and Jack are doing fine with their asymmetrical affair. Our Doctor couldn't tell Rose he loved her because she would then never have left him. I'm not sure why she had to go back to her other universe, but I'm not sorry she did.
    
    I have always liked the implication that the Doctor was upset by their parting in "Doomsday" not so much because they wereseparated (though he missed her) but because she had gone to that universe unwillingly, and was desperately unhappy with it. Now she can be content there. Though if I was her, I'd still prefer to be with the Time Lord, travelling in time and space.
    
    
11. Loved it that Donna fancied Jack.
    
    
12. Loved Gramps better than ever, and it was nice to see Sylvia sticking up for Donna. I love it that Gramps will remember the Doctor and Donna's adventures with him.
    
    
13. Loved Action!Martha. I find it interesting that Tom Milligan was not so much as mentioned in this episode or last. It's the end of the world, and Martha subconsciously chooses to be with her mother and not her fiancé? That strikes me as odd.
    
    
14. Is Dalek Caan still alive? He was not recreated from Davros' body, so I would assume he is. And the Daleks may return in future.
    
    
15. The human Doctor destroyed the Daleks. Another connection, I assume, between humans and violence? Again, the Doctor is exculpated? Or is he? In this case, he didn't kill Daleks... he mostly just observed what was going on.
    
    I loved the discussion of his guilt: Davros pointing out that he may not use weapons but he has more or less trained humans as weapons. But they have their own free will, and the Doctor has his own guilty conscience. I loved all of that.
    
    I found Davros more interesting here than in "The Stolen Earth".
    
    
16. I loved the force-filed prisons and the time-lock shields and so many of the alien-tech gimmicks. Including especially the use of the TARDIS. Tossing it into the incineratior! Woo.
    
    
17. Loved it that Jack used his inability to die to outwit the Daleks, or try to.
    
    
18. Am I right that Martha still has her teleportation device? Cool.
    
    
19. I can hardly wait for more Sarah Jane Adventures. I hope we see more of Martha, too. Though I generally like the way Rose was used in series 4, I'm just as happy if we don't see her again. And Donna? They seem to have effectively written her out - though not necessarily. She could always meet the Doctor again. Two coincidental meetings - why not a third? Which she would think was the first.
    
    Though of course even without other workings of Destiny, their second meeting wasn't by chance: she'd been looking for him in the likely places for more than a year.
    
    
20. I cried. I can't remember when I cried, but I did. Not at the end. Somewhere in the middle.
    
    
21. The hand grew into the human Doctor, right? And no longer exists as a hand. Pity. I liked that hand.
    
    
22. So what do I do now? Watch series 4 over again? Better still, watch series 1, 2, 3 and 4 again, topped off with Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood? It feels like a long time till I'll get anything new.
    

Comments

[gypsylady.livejournal.com]

Suppose Jack, who resented his own memories being stolen, told her the truth?

I hadn't remembered that. Holy feces! Jack's got to be offended by this. And it would be sweet if, using the tech he's scavenged from the Rift and now having Ianto AND Mickey's expertise, he could figure out a way to give her back those memories without killing her.

wouldn't mind seeing Sarah Jane in the TARDIS again, at least for the space of one adventure.

Lis Sladen has said that she's pretty sure this is the last time she'll ever be in an episode of "Doctor Who," although she didn't answer when asked if there were a chance the Doctor would visit on her show. It's doubtful because the Doctor never has visited any of the spin-offs but there's always hope. And no one ever said LUKE won't visit!

It would be very cool if they could do a Two Doctors episode (Paul McGann is apparently still decent looking enough to make it a Three Doctors if desired) and that might bring back Rose again but other than that, I'm glad she's gone. I loved Rose but got so used to the more kick-ass companions (Martha, Jack, Donna, all of them kick WAY more ass than Rose ever did!) and now I think it's time for her to retire to Pete's World and take care of her new Doctor (who, let's face it, Pete's World needs) and her baby brother.

My heart is so broken for Donna. And for Ten. He's alone again and this time he didn't have to be. I wonder if he did what he did because he was so afraid of hurting her. Again. Although she didn't object to anything he did. (Remember her reaction when he attacked the lava creature in Pompeii with a water pistol? She said, "I bloody love you!" She was more than happy to suffer the hurt involved in being his companion. Best friends do that for one another.)

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

I hadn't remembered that. Holy feces! Jack's got to be offended by this.

Maybe, maybe not. He seems to have little compunction about stealing other people's memories with Retcon. On the other hand, he does perhaps take care not to let situations arise that require it - the others on the Torchwood team seem more casual in its use. (Especially Suzie, who used it for self-serving purposes.) So. It at least gives him reasons to be sympathetic with Donna.

Ancillary thought: wouldn't it be intersting if Jack's missing memories were taken by the Doctor? For some similar good reason? He thought they were stolen by the Time Agency, but he didn't know, how could he? And the Doctor wouldn't know, if it hadn't happened yet in his own timeline.

Hrrrm.

it would be sweet if, using the tech he's scavenged from the Rift and now having Ianto AND Mickey's expertise, he could figure out a way to give her back those memories without killing her.

Nice.

Lis Sladen has said that she's pretty sure this is the last time she'll ever be in an episode of "Doctor Who,"

Yes. But they might not tell her in advance. And she might be instructed to lie, like Billie Piper was. I retain hope.

(Martha, Jack, Donna, all of them kick WAY more ass than Rose ever did!)

I loved Rose back in first and second season but I now prefer the others. I like Rose's character, but I don't need her back.

I wonder if he did what he did because he was so afraid of hurting her. Again.

Maybe. I think he's conflicted on the 'being alone' issue. He wants to be alone - but he doesn't necessarily like it. I think there's an element of self-punishment there, which would make particular sense at the end of "Journey's End" with all the guilt kicked up by Davros. Any of those companions would stay with the Doctor forever if only he'd let them, and pay just about any price to do it.