Buffy (2x14) Innocence....

[fajrdrako]

Shouldn't the title be "Loss of Innocence"?

The episode starts with Spike. This bodes well: I like an episode that starts with Spike.

And then it carries on with Angel...

1. Angel says, "The pain is gone...I feel just fine." Given what we know of his situation, this is terrifying. What will Angel be, without his pain?
   
   
2. Buffy calls Willow "a fun machine". Heh.
   
   
3. Xander says, "a four-hundred-pound wino offered to wash my hair." What?
   
   
4. I like Willow's way with words: "My God, you people are all... Well, I'm upset, and I can't think of a mean word right now, but that's what you are."
   
   
5. I like the way Buffy is so worried about Angel. No, not just worried: frightened. Good instincts.
   
   
6. Wonderful dialogue between Spike and Drusilla:

   Spike: Are we feeling better, then?
   Drusilla: I'm naming all the stars.
   Spike: You can't see the stars, love. That's the ceiling. Also, it's day.
   Drusilla: I can see them. But I've named them all the same name. And there's terrible confusion.

   
   
7. The Angel walks in. And they don't know what to make of it; but his dialogue is so in keeping with theirs, in a way it couldn't and wouldn't have been a day earlier. Now he has a sense of humour, too - as dark as theirs.
   
   
8. And then the Judge's fateful pronouncemnet: "There's no humanity in him." Handy that they had a humanity-meter on the premises to check this out, give Angel a clean bill of non-humanity. But - though I joke - it's a strong moment.
   
   
9. And Angel's wonderful synopsis: "I was going through a phase."
   
   
10. Love the interaction when Spike says, "It made me sick to my stomach seeing you being the Slayer's lap dog." And then Angel snarls and kisses him.
    
    
11. Another great Angel line about Buffy: "She made me feel like a human being. That's not the kind of thing you just forgive."
    
    
12. Love the phone call between Buffy and Willow. We hear Willow's side of it: "Okay. No, no, he didn't, but I'm sure he'll... Well, Buffy, he probably has some plan, and he's trying to protect you. Well, I-I don't know what. I'm not in on the plan. It's his plan. No. Don't even say that! Angel is not dead." But he is. I suspect that Buffy suspects that already. Willow is trying to be optimistic, but she's baffled as to what happened.
    
    
13. Another line I love - Willow to Xander about Buffy - "She's checked every place she can think of. She even beat up Willy the snitch a couple of times." I love this because I love Willy the Snitch.
    
    
14. Cordelia says to Xander, "You were too busy rushing off to die for your beloved Buffy. You'd never die for me." Is this maybe revealing her motives - that she's afraid to care about Xander because she knows he loves Buffy, and she feels she can't compete?
    
    
15. Then they kiss and Willows sees them and freaks.
    
    
16. Willow's dialogue is just superb in this episode. "I knew it! I knew it! Well, not 'knew it' in the sense of having the slightest idea, but I knew there was something I didn't know."
    
    
17. So Buffy finds and confronts Angel at his place and he's verbally mean to her. The best part"

    Buffy: Angel! I love you.
    Angel: Love you, too.

    Beautifully delivered, by both of them. Chilling!
    
    
18. Those Gypsies turn out to be even more cruel than it seemed. Enyos says, "To the modern man vengeance is a verb, an idea. Payback. One thing for another. Like commerce. Not with us. Vengeance is a living thing. It passes through generations. It commands. It kills." No sense of justice here - just a desire to make Angel pay. He says it later on: "It is not justice we serve. It is vengeance." Jenny figures out that this means "Angelus is back." (Why did I instantly think, "Lymond is back?" when I typed that? Don't answer that.)
    
    
19. Enyos says, "I hoped to stop it." Stop what? Oh - Buffy and Angel getting together, Angel being happy, Angel therefore reverting to Angelus. Right. He does on, "But I realize now it was arranged to be so." Arranged? By who? Is Enyos a fatalist? Or is he blaming someone?
    
    
20. Love this bit:

    Jenny: Buffy loves him.
    Enyos: And now she will have to kill him.

    
    
    
21. I like Willow's speech to Xander: "Let's get this straight. I don't understand it, I don't wanna understand it, you have gross emotional problems, and things are not okay between us. But what's happening right now is more important than that." I like her sense of pragmatism here. At the same time, I'm not very sympathetic with her judgement on Xander's life: she knows he doesn't love her, and she has no hold over him - even as a friend, or especially as a friend - to dictate how he should conduct his love life. She doesn't like Cordelia, but she hasn't much of a right to be upset if he actually does - people change their minds. It isn't as if she fears he's using and abusing Cordelia. It's that she's angry with Xander for not wanting her. Which isn't fair in the least - he doesn't owe her an explanation or anything else. Especially given her romantic friendship with Oz.
    
    This being said, I still love Willow.
    
    
22. Good Xander speech: "Whoa. Whoa! I... I think I'm having a thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a thought. Now I'm having a plan." I like the way we go through the process of Xander's plan without knowing anything about it - and that Cordelia doesn't know either, but plays her part beautifully. Lucky for Xander the soldier on duty was an idiot.
    
    
23. Good Buffy/Angel exchange:

    Buffy: Angel, there must be some part of you inside that still remembers who you are. Angel: Dream on, schoolgirl.

    
    
24. Wonderful Giles line:

    Cordelia: What are we gonna do?
    Giles: I'm leaning towards blind panic myself.

    
    
25. Nice line from Angel: "To kill this girl... you have to love her." I suppose I ought to be calling him "Angelus" but I like calling him "Angel."
    
    
26. Buffy attacks Jenny. I love it. And of course by now we know Enyos is doomed. Assuming we didn't figure he was doomed as soon as we first saw him.
    
    
27. My favourite line in all of this is Buffy's: "Curse him again." But of course it doesn't work that way.
    
    
28. And if it did work that way, she would be cursed to love him forever but never able to touch him, in case she might accidentally make him happy and set everything off again...
    
    
29. And Oz has a lovely romantic side to him: "Sometimes when I'm sitting in class... You know, I'm not thinking about class, 'cause that would never happen. I think about kissing you. And it's like everything stops. It's like, it's like freeze frame. Willow kissage." And even better: "in my fantasy, when I'm kissing *you*, you're kissing *me*."
    
    
30. And then another one of those great moments:

    Buffy: He's only making it easier. I know what I have to do.
    Giles: What?
    Buffy: Kill him.

    
    
31. I like Angel's flirty attitude, especially when he calls the Judge "spiffy".
    
    
32. I like it that Giles is allied with Buffy in telling Jenny to get out. And that she does.
    
    
33. So there's a shootout at the mall. How... suburban. Or something. I prefer the more gothic locales.
    
    
34. There's something absurdly hilarious about everyone picking up pieces of exploded demon.
    
    
35. Best of all, Buffy doesn't kill Angel.
    
    
36. And predictably, maybe by favourite bit of all - well, after Buffy's resolve to kill Angel - is her conversation with Giles:

    Buffy: You must be so disappointed in me.
    Giles: No. No, no, I'm not.
    Buffy: But this is all my fault.
    Giles: No. I don't believe it is. Do you want me to wag my finger at you and tell you that you acted rashly? You did. A-and I can. I know that you loved him. And... he... has proven more than once that he loved you. You couldn't have known what would happen. The coming months are going to, are going to be hard... I suspect on all of us, but... if it's guilt you're looking for, Buffy, I'm, I'm not your man. All you will get from me is, is my support. And my respect.

    I think the relationship between Giles and Buffy is my favourite of the whole show.
    
    
37. Conversation with Joyce:

    Joyce: But we're still going shopping on Saturday. So what'd you do for your birthday? Did you have fun?
    Buffy: I got older.

    Joyce must realize Buffy is upset - does she think it's just teen troubles?
    

Comments

fit the first

[janne-d.livejournal.com]

Oh, I love this episode. Bring on the pain, we can take it.

Angel says, "The pain is gone...I feel just fine."

I wonder somewhat how much Angel knew about what was about to happen. He certainly seemed to be trying to get as far away from Buffy as possible and he does say "oh no" right before the change. I don't think he knew about the happiness clause in the curse but I think he could feel it.

I adore the visual of Angelus blowing out the smoke he's picked up from the hooker's throat.

Picking up this:
I suppose I ought to be calling him "Angelus" but I like calling him "Angel."

the trend is usually to differentiate between them - I find it less confusing myself, though as things change and develop through the series, the dividing line between souled and unsouled gets to be a complex question. But certainly at this point, I usually think of them as being two different people.

A bit I liked when Buffy goes home is that the costume people put a rip in her top to keep the continuity or her back being cut. Because I am sad and actually noticed.

Xander says, "a four-hundred-pound wino offered to wash my hair." What?

I believe the idea is that perverts and weirdos hang out in the bus station at night and Xander had a few interesting encounters while watching for Judge-parts.

I like Willow's way with words: "My God, you people are all... Well, I'm upset, and I can't think of a mean word right now, but that's what you are."

I like that bit too - you're right that Willow has some great lines this episode. I agree with all your examples.

Ditto on the Spike/Dru conversation about the stars.

Angel walks in. And they don't know what to make of it; but his dialogue is so in keeping with theirs

I have a fondness of his mock-heroic speech. Turning the cheesiness up to the max, and it's so obvious Angel wouldn't have said that. Angelus has a decidedely nasty sense of humour, but it is definitely there. I like the dig about Spike rolling that gets inserted in the middle too.

the Judge's fateful pronouncement: "There's no humanity in him." Handy that they had a humanity-meter on the premises to check this out

Listening to JW's commentary, that is actually a main function of the Judge. He's there to show Spike and Dru and, just as importantly, the audience that this is unequivocally not a trick by Angel. He really has gone totally evil.

It's also an intriguing comment in light of the Judge's reaction to Spike and Dru - it shows that Angelus is on another level of bad even from them.

Plus he smokes. TV-code for evil.

"You were too busy rushing off to die for your beloved Buffy. You'd never die for me." Is this maybe revealing her motives

I think Cordelia is maybe a little insecure about her place in Xander's affections.

Buffy: Angel! I love you.
Angel: Love you, too.
Beautifully delivered, by both of them. Chilling!

The bit that really gets me is when he says "I'll call you".

Vengeance is a living thing. It passes through generations. It commands. It kills." No sense of justice here - just a desire to make Angel pay. He says it later on: "It is not justice we serve. It is vengeance."

I always think at this point "vengeance is really stupid" though I do like the way he explains it. JW talks in the commentary about how the concept of vengeance being a living thing, like an irrational god that they serve, really made him able to make sense of all the things that needed to tie together - Jenny's mission when it had never been mentioned she was a gypsy, why the curse worked like that.

Good Xander speech: "Whoa. Whoa! I... I think I'm having a thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a thought. Now I'm having a plan."

I like: "now I'm having a wiggins". It makes me laugh. Also, I noticed watching this again that Xander's instincts in that scene are better than Willow's about Angel - he turns back and you can see he's thinking something is going on.

Re: fit the first

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

I love this episode. Bring on the pain, we can take it.

You masochist. (And yes, I agree absolutely!)

I wonder somewhat how much Angel knew about what was about to happen.

Presumably if he had any clue about it he woudln't have had sex with Buffy - unless he thought he could outsmart fate somehow. It seems more likely he just had no clue, and then felt the changes happening. (Shudder!)

I adore the visual of Angelus blowing out the smoke he's picked up from the hooker's throat.

That was wonderful.

the trend is usually to differentiate between them

Yes, and I'm not sure why my impulse is to do the opposite. Something abut my own theory/interpretation that Angel and Angelus are the same, despite appearances. I tend to go for such synthesis-type interpretations of things. Polarization of the singular psyche.

A bit I liked when Buffy goes home is that the costume people put a rip in her top to keep the continuity or her back being cut. Because I am sad and actually noticed.

Well done!

Xander had a few interesting encounters while watching for Judge-parts.

I'm sure clean hair is a good consequence. [g]

He's there to show Spike and Dru and, just as importantly, the audience that this is unequivocally not a trick by Angel. He really has gone totally evil.

Cleverly done.

it shows that Angelus is on another level of bad even from them.

Or... another remove from the human.

I always think at this point "vengeance is really stupid" though I do like the way he explains it.

It doesn't seem useful, but I like the way Enyos has the strength of his convictions.

JW talks in the commentary about how the concept of vengeance being a living thing, like an irrational god that they serve, really made him able to make sense of all the things that needed to tie together

I like that as an explanation. I like the way the gypsies have their own dark ethos - not a good one, but they're as much trapped by as by anything else.

Re: fit the first

[janne-d.livejournal.com]

It seems more likely he just had no clue, and then felt the changes happening

Yeah, that's what I meant.

Something abut my own theory/interpretation that Angel and Angelus are the same, despite appearances. I tend to go for such synthesis-type interpretations of things.

Like I said, the Angel/Angelus divide gets complex :-) I just find it easier because it tells you what point in his timeline people are referring to. Or something about the person doing the referring.

Re: fit the first

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

I just find it easier because it tells you what point in his timeline people are referring to. Or something about the person doing the referring.

That's true, and of course I'm not past this phase yet.

If Angel and Angelus are two people, even just for convenience, then I enjoy them both.

It's easier for me to think of them as two phases of the same person, who have much, much more in common than they have differences.