Torchwood: watching Adrift again...

[fajrdrako]

I watched "Adrift" again this evening with commodorified, iclysdale, raynedaze and auriaephiala. I enjoyed it once more, though it seemed even sadder this time.

A few more points and questions:

1. Jonah was taken by the Rift seven months ago. Jack was present. Jack was therefore in Cardiff seven months ago. Was that before he went to the end of the universe with the Doctor, or after he came back from the Valiant? If he was gone for six months, real time, does that mean either that he has only been back one month or less - unlikely in the extreme - or that it has been more than seven months since "Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang"?
   
   
2. I loved PC Andy saying "Bloody Torchwood!"
   
   
3. Wondering again why Ianto gave Gwen the package that led her to the island with the hospice, I realized this time that Ianto had left the package on her desk before she had asked Jack to let her take on Jonah's case, and before Jack had told her 'no'. How did Ianto know she was going to reopen the case? How did he know to leave the information on her desk when she had presumably dropped it? He's smart, but not prescient. Had he expected her to find it, and to ask Jack what it led to?
   
   
4. As we got to the sex scene, iclysdale asked whether Jack or Ianto actually had a flat or any kind of a home - wondering why they couldn't just go home for sex. We thought it over: Jack certainly does not have any other home, he lives in the Hub - or under it. And Ianto? We've never seen his place, or ever had any reference to it. It seems likely that he has moved into the Hub with Jack.
   
   I'm sure Ianto would like that, anyway. And I can't think of any argument against it.
   
   I would add that even if Jack and Ianto did have somewhere to go, they obviously enjoy sex in the Hub. They could use the beds in the infirmary if they wanted to, or Jack's room. But where's the fun in that?
   
   
5. I noticed that in their conversation on the cliff, once Gwen touched Jack's hand, he couldn't say 'no' to her. Not that saying 'no' to her ever did any good, anyway.
   
   
6. Why does Gwen assume Jack won't allow maternity leave? She hasn't asked him.
   
   
7. maaseru wanted me to add that Nicky treated Gwen badly: that Gwen only investigated the case because Nickey wanted to, and she had no right to blame Gwen when she changed her mind. We agreed that, however bad the truth, in the end, knowing is better than not knowing.
   
   
8. I like the theory (promuglated by halfspokenwords and janne_d, that when Jack was bellowing for Ianto, it was because he'd been left somewhere in handcuffs.
   

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Jonah was taken by the Rift seven months ago. Jack was present. Jack was therefore in Cardiff seven months ago. Was that before he went to the end of the universe with the Doctor, or after he came back from the Valiant? If he was gone for six months, real time, does that mean either that he has only been back one month or less - unlikely in the extreme - or that it has been more than seven months since "Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang"?

Do we know for sure that Jack was gone for six months 'real time'?
I thought it was never actually stated on either show. He could have been only gone for 2 or 3 months, which would have left him time to check out Jonah's dissappearance, go, come back, and KKBB would only have been 4 or 5 months earlier.

Wondering again why Ianto gave Gwen the package that led her to the island with the hospice,

Did Ianto say he'd left the package or simply that there was a package on Gwen's desk. Is it possible that somebody else left the package and Ianto's passing on info or that somebody gave him the package to leave there. See I have a theory that Owen also knew about the hospice and maybe he was involved in giving Gwen a clue. As for how Ianto knew Gwen would keep up with the case? This is Ianto, he knows everything ;-) but seriously I think that Ianto was just smart enough to know that Gwen wouldn't let it go.

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Do we know for sure that Jack was gone for six months 'real time'?I thought it was never actually stated on either show.

it wasn't actually on television, no. Neither show. It all depends what is acceptable to you as canon. "Six months" makes sense to me, given what we've seen; going by the shows alone, three months is possible, but for both the extent of changes and the reaction of the Team, six months makes more sense to me.

Did Ianto say he'd left the package or simply that there was a package on Gwen's desk.

He said there was a package. But Gwen believed he had left it, and I think there are various things that makes it plausible that he did: that Ianto and Jack seemed to be arguing over the matter of whether to tell her; that Ianto says he knows "everything" about Torchwood; that he told her about the package; that no one else seems as likely a culprit. It could have been Owen, but he is in this episode so little that to make him a hidden part of the plot seems unsatisfying to me.

I think that Ianto was just smart enough to know that Gwen wouldn't let it go.

I think Jack knew that too, but it had become a battle of wills.

I think also that Ianto wanted Gwen to know, thought Jack should tell her, and this was his way of making sure it happened. Ianto wanted Gwen to know even if she did let it go.