Torchwood: watching Adrift again...

[fajrdrako]

I watched "Adrift" again this evening with commodorified, iclysdale, raynedaze and auriaephiala. I enjoyed it once more, though it seemed even sadder this time.

A few more points and questions:

1. Jonah was taken by the Rift seven months ago. Jack was present. Jack was therefore in Cardiff seven months ago. Was that before he went to the end of the universe with the Doctor, or after he came back from the Valiant? If he was gone for six months, real time, does that mean either that he has only been back one month or less - unlikely in the extreme - or that it has been more than seven months since "Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang"?
   
   
2. I loved PC Andy saying "Bloody Torchwood!"
   
   
3. Wondering again why Ianto gave Gwen the package that led her to the island with the hospice, I realized this time that Ianto had left the package on her desk before she had asked Jack to let her take on Jonah's case, and before Jack had told her 'no'. How did Ianto know she was going to reopen the case? How did he know to leave the information on her desk when she had presumably dropped it? He's smart, but not prescient. Had he expected her to find it, and to ask Jack what it led to?
   
   
4. As we got to the sex scene, iclysdale asked whether Jack or Ianto actually had a flat or any kind of a home - wondering why they couldn't just go home for sex. We thought it over: Jack certainly does not have any other home, he lives in the Hub - or under it. And Ianto? We've never seen his place, or ever had any reference to it. It seems likely that he has moved into the Hub with Jack.
   
   I'm sure Ianto would like that, anyway. And I can't think of any argument against it.
   
   I would add that even if Jack and Ianto did have somewhere to go, they obviously enjoy sex in the Hub. They could use the beds in the infirmary if they wanted to, or Jack's room. But where's the fun in that?
   
   
5. I noticed that in their conversation on the cliff, once Gwen touched Jack's hand, he couldn't say 'no' to her. Not that saying 'no' to her ever did any good, anyway.
   
   
6. Why does Gwen assume Jack won't allow maternity leave? She hasn't asked him.
   
   
7. maaseru wanted me to add that Nicky treated Gwen badly: that Gwen only investigated the case because Nickey wanted to, and she had no right to blame Gwen when she changed her mind. We agreed that, however bad the truth, in the end, knowing is better than not knowing.
   
   
8. I like the theory (promuglated by halfspokenwords and janne_d, that when Jack was bellowing for Ianto, it was because he'd been left somewhere in handcuffs.
   

Comments

[wijsgeer.livejournal.com]

I would say, from the outside, that it is better knowing. But maybe the truth is indeed to horrible sometimes? The reproduction of THE SCREAM was clearly lacking. Though Jonah did indeed seem distraught, his screaming wasn't outer worldly painful. Not like it would drive Gwen away with her hands pressing on her ears. I have in fact heard more pained screaming or screeching. So perhaps we should take that in account and enhance the picture somewhat. Make the situation of Jonah more dire, much more dire.

I think what Torchwood perhaps could do was fake proof that the missed ones are dead. That would end the living in hope, but without confrontation with something that is supposedly worse than the dreadful truth of the dead of you loved one.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

maybe the truth is indeed too horrible sometimes?

Too horrible for what? I tmay be painful, but facing the truth is the most strengthening and liberating experience there is. I like to think that Nicky may find the strength to cope.

Though Jonah did indeed seem distraught, his screaming wasn't outer worldly painful.

I assumed that our televisions are just not good enough to reproduce the full sound of his anguish.

I think what Torchwood perhaps could do was fake proof that the missed ones are dead.

I wonder why they don't? They do it with the dead, like the porter in "Everything Changes". Perhaps it's because Jack holds out a little portion of unadmitted hope that these people may be cured or helped, and returned to the world, in which case, he'd want to put them back into the lives they had before, not manufactured existences such as he tried to make for the "Out of Time" time travellers.

[wijsgeer.livejournal.com]

Perhaps it's because Jack holds out a little portion of unadmitted hope that these people may be cured or helped, and returned to the world, in which case, he'd want to put them back into the lives they had before, not manufactured existences such as he tried to make for the "Out of Time" time travellers.

Unlikely I'd say. Could be sort of possible if the people were only scarred and inside and outside and they could get healed of that. But remember they have aged. Torchwood would need to rejuvenate them. though considering all the aging and unaging going on in the series it might even be possible. (But I will get angry!!!)

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Impossible to know what Jack is thinking, then - I can't offhand think of any better theories. I will continue to ponder.

[clancy-s.livejournal.com]

Here from your link on torch_wood on a quiet day.

Too horrible for what? I tmay be painful, but facing the truth is the most strengthening and liberating experience there is.

Do you have children? I've seen several posts from mothers saying that knowing your child is alive, insane and suffering isn't something you get move on from in any way. If they'd faked his death yes, maybe it would (eventually) have let her move on but as things are she can't.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

I do have friends whose children are alive, insane, and (often) suffering, and life certainly isn't a piece of cake for them. It certainly isn't a situation of easy answers or solutions - as I think Captain Jack was well aware.