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Hee hee! That's great!

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I figure she restores balance to the universe. Veronica Mars' father is so incredibly nice we have to have someone else's mother who is incredibly scary.

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I suppose so, though I never got into Veronica Mars. I love Heroes though!

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Isn't Heroes fun? So much good plotting. And the characters are fun.

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Definitely! I was enthralled from the start, though the 2nd ep got me fairly upset. I don't deal well with violence. Fortunately, they didn't use it too much.

Oh, and I definitely had to ignore the science. Especially the genetics. ;-)

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I don't remember what was in episode 2 - why did it upset you? When I remember back to the show, it isn't like Doctor Who or Battlestar Galactica where I can recall specific episodes and titles (most of the time); what I remember is plot threads. Or maybe, mostly, the culmination of plot threads, with only a vague memory of the earlier episodes which set up so much. I loved Matt with Audrey, for example, and remember the early Claire scenes rather well - but I remember it in terms of how the story developed, rather than what happened in any given week.

I've never seen a TV show composed like this, and I love it. It has such structure and shape. Everything is working to a certain point. And though I've heard fans say they thought the end of the first story arc (i.e., volume 1, i.e. the whole of season 1) was anticlimactic, I thought it was brilliant and wonderful. Open-ended in that the story can continue with all sorts of intriguing possibilities, nicely finished off in a climax that was resolved, and all of it leaving the impression of lives and histories and events that occur outside the focus of what we have seen.

Oh, yes, by all means, ignore the genetics. This is comic book science all the way.

And I warn you, there's violence still to come. I found it more bearable than with many shows because I like the characters and plot so much - that pulled me through - but there were scenes in which we had to cover

maaseru's eyes. And though there is violence, it's exceptionally well-crafted violence. For instance - there's a superpowered fight scene in one episode that we don't really see, we only hear it through an almost-closed door, with the flashes of blinding light from the conflict appearing in the crack. I loved it.

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I've seen the whole series and the violence wasn't always that bad. But the first scenes with Nikki's and Sylar's killing sprees were a complete and utter shock after the first ep. The first hinted at violence, but the second was horrid.

I can't handle violence of that sort. I was much happier when they just implied it. I did love the show though, which is what kept me watching.

I hate scary though. I don't watch any scary type movies and even spooky doesn't work too well. I actually had trouble getting to sleep after some of the eps with Sylar or Nikki violence. And when the little girl at the end talked about the one that could see her back? The one that was worse than Sylar? Argh.

But I loved so much of the show, that it wasn't a problem. Heck, I used to watch Buffy with a book that I'd end up reading during fight scenes. Not fond of those either. ;-p

The structure of the show was great. It's something I'll just have to watch through again, now that I know what happens. It's all very intricately plotted and everything's tied together. A bit too much for me, maybe. It's a bit too well-connected in some ways. But all great to watch and enjoy.

I'll be sticking with this show for a while. Though I know it's going to be hugely frustrating waiting for the second season to get to England. Oh well.

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Yes, I too preferred the implied violence. I still don't specifically remember that episode, though - probably a mental block!

The one that was worse than Sylar - oh, yes! What a line. Aaargh!

Season 2 starts on my birthday, which is a nice sort of present for me.

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Oooooo! Lucky you! I wish I could start watching on my birthday, but then, I just realized we'll be in the US then, and might well be able to see the first ep maybe. :-)

(I don't remember the ep specifically, just that it was a shock after the first I enjoyed so much!)

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So you can see the first episode on my birthday - that sounds just fine to me! Drink me a toast while you're at it!

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Well, we'll see. I don't even know when your birthday is -- well, when the first ep is. I just know we'll be in the US from the 3rd to the 9th of October and that'll be when the first eps might be happening. (My birthday's the 5th and my friend is getting married on the 6th -- the reason for the trip)

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October 5? That means you're Libra too!

Okay, I don't know that being Libra means anything at all, though I find it an interestingly romantic notion that it might.

My birthday, and the first episode of Heroes season 2, will be Sept. 24 - a little before you arrive. You'll be in the States for episode 3, I should think.

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Hee hee, yeah, I'm a Libra. I can't say that means much to me, but it's not an area I've ever looked into.

Cool to know. I might have to miss it, it might be better to see them all in order here when they come out. ;-)

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filkferengi

Have your parents tape them, so you can watch all 3 at once: triple present!

Huge congrats to your friend!

If you get the chance, email me a phone number & a good time to call; we could chat while you're over here.

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Well, won't be seeing my parents on the visit, but they are coming to see us at the end of October in England. So I might just have to have them tape it for us! ;-p

I'll try -- but we're staying at a hotel for the wedding and I don't know if we'll be online at all!

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filkferengi

Either way, have a big time!

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Thanks! I'm soooooo looking forward to it.

I just hope the weather's good and there are no hurricanes lurking!!!

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There are some characters you love to hate, and some you just hate. Angela is in the "just hate" category for me. I don't care what her backstory is. There's no excuse for what she tried to do to the city and for what she tried to do and did do to her own family. I mean here are some things to ponder...

If Peter hadn't absorbed Claire's ability, he would surely have died, so either Angela was OK with her baby boy's death, or she knew through someone's clairvoyance that Nathan's "folly in Texas" would come along.

Assuming she knew about Claire, why would she send Bennet and Claude, operatives of the Company she and her friends headed, to bag firestarter Meredith? Angela had to know that a cornered firestarter would likely, well, start a fire. She obviously wanted Meredith, a loose end, out of the way. Either she didn't care if Claire was killed, or she knew Claire would heal. Both possibilities are disturbing: One implies willfull infanticide; the other implies what amounts to willful physical and emotional abuse/torture of a toddler.

If she knew Claire would heal, how? I find it telling that Claire's powers are the flipside of Linderman's. Could Linderman and Angela have manuvered Nathan into meeting Meredith, because they wanted a child with that ability, that Linderman wanted someone opposite to himself for his own reasons and Angela knew she could eventually use Claire to save Peter.

And what of Peter? Did Angela have him, because she knew he'd be an empath, because she knew he'd be the bomb? Peter as part a the masterplan would help explain the gap between him and Nathan. Did Linderman and Angela need him to be born when he was, so he would be the right age when their plan came to fruition?

Angela has some explaining to do, and all of her answers are likely to be frightening, sad, and alienating. Whatever her motives, she's a travesty as a parent and grandparent and someone needs to shoot her in the head.

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My current theory (or interpretation or belief) is that Angela Petrelli doesn't care much what happens to Nathan or Peter - they're puppets for her purposes, no more. As Claire was. I don't think she really cares if any of them lives or dies. And I suspect she has a trail of murders behind her - subtly done, so no one suspects.

I have a theory that she killed her husband - on no evidence at all.

golden_hinde just referred to her as "Livia" and I think that is spot on.

I think she did know what Claire's powers are, and I'm not sure how. Perhaps because the people who were observing Bennet told her. Perhaps because the Haitian told her.

Could Linderman and Angela have manuvered Nathan into meeting Meredith, because they wanted a child with that ability, that Linderman wanted someone opposite to himself for his own reasons and Angela knew she could eventually use Claire to save Peter.

Very possibly - knowing that Meredith was Nathan's type. Or it could be even more devious than that, and Meredith could be somehow under Angela Petrelli's control. (Possibilities: something connected with Angela's powers, which are unrevealed; bribery; blackmail.)

When contemplating Mama Petrelli, it is very tempting to think that someone (or a group) of the older crowd are or were working on a technique to control or hone a group of people with powers - to create specific powers.

Did Angela have him, because she knew he'd be an empath, because she knew he'd be the bomb?

I think she had Peter because he was incredibly powerful. But perhaps not as useful as expected? Too honest, perhaps?

Whatever her motives, she's a travesty as a parent and grandparent and someone needs to shoot her in the head.

I'm not sure a head shot would do it; but a lot depends on what her abilities actually are. Some theorize that she has enough mind-control to make people act as she wishes. It's possible, though I'm still suspecting something more than that.

I certainly suspect a master plan - some sort of dangerous agenda. Not Linderman's - I think she was using him, too. But how?

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When contemplating Mama Petrelli, it is very tempting to think that someone (or a group) of the older crowd are or were working on a technique to control or hone a group of people with powers - to create specific powers

Didn't Linderman actually say that he brought about Nikki & her husband's relationship? There's little doubt in my mind that the older crowd was trying to breed powers.

Of course, by the end when Simone's father is revealed to be another of the "older crowd" conspiracy, I was really starting to get sick of all the unrevealed connections. I mean, they were really tying everyone together into one big conspiracy and that got a bit too annoying. But it was near the end of the season, so it didn't bother me too much.

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Yes, Linderman did say that, which is why I wonder about Nathan and Meredith.

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You might well wonder.

Any relationship is suspect. What about Matt and his wife? Do we have any idea how they met? Might her baby be genetically planned?

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Could be. As sad as it might be, I also wonder about Claire's new boyfriend. According to spoilers, he can fly. It could be coincidence, or it could be Angela and Co. playing on Claire's daddy issues for reasons of their own. For her sake, I hope it's the former.

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I also wonder about Claire's new boyfriend. According to spoilers, he can fly.

Like Nathan?

Oh my goodness. Yes. This sounds like... part of a pattern.

Claire's smart. She can handle a lot. I just hope nobody breaks her heart.

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Yeah, definitely. I don't think you need to be a conspiracy theorist to assume a large well-funded conspiracy pulling the strings everywhere "the older crowd". They're certainly given plenty of evidence of it.

I'm really interested in seeing how that'll play out. Linderman is dead, does it all fall apart? Do the young ones rebel? Do they realize how big an organization it is?

I was just happy that Hiro's father wasn't in on it. As far as we know, I think at least!

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Part of the fun is not knowing the extent of the genetic conspiracy. There's Eric Roberts and his gang. (I forget his name, if he has one. The Paper Man.) There's Linderman and his crowd, a sort of genetic mafia, and they all meet up somehow with Mr Nakamura on the roof of Isaac's loft - am I right in thinking that was a Petrelli place? - with Simone's Papa's involvement and/or knowledge too. And Claude and Bennet were both part of the Paper group. But, but, but... how much were they all on the same side? Who was infiltrating? Who was double crossing whom?

We have a lot of empowered characters. Did they all have one or more parent with connections to the plot?

Do we know who Molly's parents are?

Where has the Haitian gone? Is he really in cahoots with Angela Petrelli?

Does Hiro's sister have powers?

I wonder about Sylar's father.

Calling the Eric Roberts bunch the Paper group makes me think I can divide them all roughly into paper, scissors and stone.

Paper - Bennet, Claude, and so on, who use the paper company as a cover and who act covertly.

Scissors - You'd think Hiro's father and the bunch after the sword would be here, but here I assign Linderman and the Petrellis - people who use bloody violence for their ends. Nikki/Jessica and DL and Micah and Natan and Peter are their pawns, with varying levels of innocence - or so they want them to be.

Rock - Mr. Nakamura and his family, bastions of stability watching what's going on in the tempestuous genetic war in the US, but not directly a part of it. Connections to all, but standing outside the conflagration.

So where does that leave Sylar? A lone wolf? A secret weapon? An experiment gone wrong?

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I agree with you on the fun bit. It is fun to try to speculate on exactly how everyone's connected, and who else must have powers, because their sibling/daughter/etc. does. I wonder if Simone did, since her father did, we're assuming!

I gotta wonder whether Mohinder does. I'm betting his sister does somehow. I still don't know why she's not dead, but I guess we'll find out soon enough! ;-p

I like the paper/rock/scissors. Nice way to categorize them, I think it does work.

Sylar and other renegades are the ones that don't play the game within the rules... ;-p

Which one's Molly? The little girl that finds people?

fun fun fun!

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who else must have powers, because their sibling/daughter/etc. does.

I wonder about Nathan's kids (besides Claire). And Matt's wife and baby. (How did they come to marry? Is Matt right outside the loop?) And yes, Simone. I was expecting her to manifest powers from the moment we met her. Unless her power is to return from the dead... looks as if it's a moot point.

I was willing to bet strongly that Mohinder had powers but I thought they'd manifest before the end of the season. I can't help thinking there has to be something there.

Yes, Molly is the little girl who finds people.

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Yeah, why not Mohinder? I was really wondering when we'd see his powers. And find out his dad's -- ability to do genetic research that doesn't make sense and find cool things? ;-p

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Taxi driving?

It's got to be something interesting and subtle - ! Not mutant-finding, that's Molly's power. If we've had clues, I can't think what they would be.

Intriguing.

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Hee hee! Yeah, taxi driving.

But is there any evidence that powers can't duplicate? I don't remember anything like that. Plus, Peter's and Sylar's powers overlap quite a lot, though Sylar has to go through more effort to get the same result. And didn't the Chris Eccleston character have the same power as Peter -- absorption?

For the interests of the show, I can see variety being more fun. But is there anything within the show that says powers can't repeat or don't?

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No, there's no reason powers can duplicate. Obviously Sylar and Peter's powers both involved duplication. If Eccleston/Claude had absorption powers, I missed it - I thought he was just invisible. I don't quite understand (yet) what powers Simone's father had. The power to make someone else see another time? And to interact with them?

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walkingowl.livejournal.com

Yi! Do not let your puppydog poop on that lady's lawn!!

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Maybe that's her superpower - the ability to exterminate cute little dogs!

(Shudder)

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duncanmac.livejournal.com

Based on the caption, should we consider "liquidation" tactics like Dorothy Gale of Kansas did?

[And no, I'm not very familiar with either Veronica Mars or with Heroes, but I do remember L. Frank Baum's books!]

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On the one hand, yes. She's scary so she has to be eeevil, right?

On the other hand, she's my Peter's beloved mother. Well, maybe not beloved - I don't think we really know what Peter thinks of his mother, but we never see him openly defy her.

I wonder what she'll be up to - if anything - in season two.

I have considered doing a Heroes party, but I'm not sure the show is conducive to watching just parts of it - it's a very complex, tight, saga with a lot of characters. Rather like X-Men, which inspired it. Might be fun, though.

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Here you go (http://www.holymoly.co.uk/news/28/news-from-last-nights-heroes-press-conference-1347.html).

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As you'll have seen from my LJ post <a href="http://fajrdrako.livejournal.com/754136.html>here</a>, I am thrilled. I would love the show anyway, I'm sure, but Claude's presence for me is the very best part.

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Yay!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXLTkdVV5sU

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