Well CA is just embarrassing, having had a supreme court ruling that it was unconstitutional to not allow gay marriage, and now a proposal w/ the people says it is? It was SUPER close, they still aren't really calling it.
I do think in time that will change. Just time, like everything else in this country (women's rights, slavery, civil wars racially, etc. and so on).
having had a supreme court ruling that it was unconstitutional to not allow gay marriage
Yeah. I'm not sure where human rights fit into this: I don't hear this being discussed in the US as a matter of 'equal rights for all', but isn't that exactly what it is?
I live in one of those states, and it's *very* discouraging. Hurtful, even. It occurs to me sometimes that I could think about moving, that I might have to someday if I want to do all the things a person should be able to do. But I hate the idea of moving *because* of this, because that's one less person here to change things, you know? If tolerant people move away, my home, the place where my nieces are growing up, will just become more of a mire of fear and hate.
And I understand what you mean, but I hope tolerant people wouldn't steer clear just because of this (though there might not be any reason at all that you would *want* to come here, heh) because I believe that the more broad-viewed, open people who come into contact with more narrow-viewed people... foolishly, maybe, I just think that that kind of contact can't hurt the narrow-viewed folks' experience, in the grand scheme. It's one of the reasons I teach ESL. The more different people we meet, the more we understand. I hope.
Yeah, in a way it's less of a punch in the gut, the proposal that my state passed, because I'm not *surprised*. (Though I really had been hoping enough to be hurt. Banning unmarried couples from fostering and adopting children doesn't just hurt the hopeful couples, it hurts children too. Gah.) But for quite awhile I've looked to California as sort of a beacon of hope, and so the results of Prop 8 were very frustrating too. I hope they're able to overturn it.
Though I really had been hoping enough to be hurt.
My sympathies.
Banning unmarried couples from fostering and adopting children doesn't just hurt the hopeful couples, it hurts children too.
It hurts everyone, and I can't even think of a good side to it. It's just plain bad any way I look at it.
I hope they're able to overturn it.
I hope so too.
I find it frustrating also that it's so clear that this is a subject in which het people will always outnumber GLBT people, so if it's simply the will of the majority that prevails, including prejudices, cluelessness and indifference. This is the way injustice is perpetuated.
All these people, denied rights that seem normal in other developed countries today. So depressing.
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Date: 2008-11-05 01:43 pm (UTC)It certainly does.
I am trying not to be bummed by all the proposals, though, that banned gay marriage and adoption in a few states.
What a pain. I hope I never have to visit those states.
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Date: 2008-11-05 11:14 pm (UTC)I do think in time that will change. Just time, like everything else in this country (women's rights, slavery, civil wars racially, etc. and so on).
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Date: 2008-11-06 12:37 am (UTC)Yeah. I'm not sure where human rights fit into this: I don't hear this being discussed in the US as a matter of 'equal rights for all', but isn't that exactly what it is?
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Date: 2008-11-06 04:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-11-06 12:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-11-06 07:58 pm (UTC)And I understand what you mean, but I hope tolerant people wouldn't steer clear just because of this (though there might not be any reason at all that you would *want* to come here, heh) because I believe that the more broad-viewed, open people who come into contact with more narrow-viewed people... foolishly, maybe, I just think that that kind of contact can't hurt the narrow-viewed folks' experience, in the grand scheme. It's one of the reasons I teach ESL. The more different people we meet, the more we understand. I hope.
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Date: 2008-11-06 08:05 pm (UTC)What really frustrates me is that California has a reputation of being gay-friendly. Apparently not!
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Date: 2008-11-06 08:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-11-06 08:32 pm (UTC)My sympathies.
Banning unmarried couples from fostering and adopting children doesn't just hurt the hopeful couples, it hurts children too.
It hurts everyone, and I can't even think of a good side to it. It's just plain bad any way I look at it.
I hope they're able to overturn it.
I hope so too.
I find it frustrating also that it's so clear that this is a subject in which het people will always outnumber GLBT people, so if it's simply the will of the majority that prevails, including prejudices, cluelessness and indifference. This is the way injustice is perpetuated.
All these people, denied rights that seem normal in other developed countries today. So depressing.