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Names aren't much matter, unless they're the right name. - Elizabeth Bear, in Ink and Steel
This quote charmed me, because it made me think how many of my heroes use names that are not their own. Sometimes (as with Captain Jack Harkness), these names are more theirs than any other. At other time, the chosen name reveals a facet of the personality that doesn't normally show - say, the young Miles Vorkosigan becoming Admiral Naismith, or the young Francis Crawford becoming Thady Boy Ballagh.

And there are heroes with no name at all, like the Doctor in Doctor Who , or the eponymous hero of Stingray - several layers of irony, there, in a show named after a man with no name but only a symbol.

Sometimes the pseudonym is an irony, such as Aral Vorkosigan being the Butcher of Komarr.

Sometimes the name is a cover whose hidden nuances reveal changes in form and perception to be reveale in a greater truth i a greater name - like Shakespeare's Prince Hal becoming King Henry V, or Meagan Whalen Turner's Gen becoming Eugenides.

And then there's the secret identity - examples where the name is known to the reader or viewer but not the other characters. The interrelationship of Batman and Bruce Wayne, or Spider-Man and Peter Parker - where the one identity hides another. And even cases (again, in comics) where the name is not a secret, but the differences between Gambit and Remy LeBeau (or between Wolverine and Logan) are clear.

Date: 2008-10-17 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Have I missed any? I'm sure I have. *g*

Marshall, or Marshall of France, though that's a position as much as a name - but that counts too. Likewise, M. l'Ambassadeur. There's even the overt fact - so obvious it's in the first line of the first book - that while his name is "Francis Crawford", he is most often called "Lymond" by the author.

"My lord. Jesus. Sir."
"'Sir' will do, until we have divine witness to the contrary."

Or:
"What do you want to be called?"
"Home, like the cattle?"

I always like the 'scented onion' line because it can be taken at all sorts of levels - for one thing, he's got many layers himself. For another, the 'scent' can be taking as the artifices he uses to influence people.

And the line "He had signed it, as he so seldom did, with his Christian name" always chokes me up. Do you remember that bit? It's Lymond's letter to Kate in PF that begins, "She is with me, and safe. You know what she feels her mission to be...." I love that so much: one of our rare glimpses of Lymond without just being himself, on paper. Witty but honest. (And just a little apologetic because he knows Kate will be throwing fits and he needs to reassure her. Guiltily.)

I'm also thinking of MCR becoming The Black Parade.

Ooh, yes, of course! Good catch.

Date: 2008-10-17 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmegaera.livejournal.com
I suspect this is one of the many things that made Dunnett unreadable for me. It felt like she never called him the same thing twice [g].

Date: 2008-10-18 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
It felt like she never called him the same thing twice [g].

Didn't that happen in some of the Russian novels? I remember being terribly confused by one of them - probably War and Peace - because everyone had so many names, it was like having three times the right number of characters.

Date: 2008-10-18 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auriaephiala.livejournal.com
Definitely.

I guess you just have to get used to that way of referring to people. It's a style that really bothers some people, enough to dump them out of the story.

Date: 2008-10-18 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I came to love the way Georgette Heyer heroes have multiple names. It's part of the charm. But she handles it fairly clearly.

Date: 2008-10-18 05:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmegaera.livejournal.com
I somehow managed to avoid reading all the Russian novels except Anna Karenina. I'm trying to keep it that way [g].

Date: 2008-10-18 11:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I haven't read Anna Karenina because it sounded depressing. I never got to the end of War and Peace. But I loved Pushkin and I particularly love Dostoevsky, especially Crime and Punishment. (What, and it isn't depressing? Yeah, it is, but it's good.)

Date: 2008-10-18 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmegaera.livejournal.com
Like some folks on the Bujold list, I really try to avoid reading depressing books. I tend in that direction on my own, and I really don't need any further push in that direction [wry g].

Date: 2008-10-18 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I find that the interesting thing is that books which depress some people don't depress others, or vice versa. And I find some books depressing that other people don't - for instance, I find The Curse of Chalion hard to read because it reminds me so vividly of feelings I had when depressed. While certain -shall we say, emotionally intense - scenes in Dunnett are my favourite, even though terribly sad things happen in them. It's all different triggers. Maybe the difference is that death, in general, doesn't depress me, but suffering often does.

Date: 2008-10-18 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmegaera.livejournal.com
For me, it's more the mood I'm in when I'm reading it. Reading is sort of like alcohol for me that way -- it tends to magnify whatever mood I'm in. I've learned not to read Memory when I'm depressed, for instance, even though it's my favorite Vorkosiverse book and probably one of my alltime favorite books, because the fact that Miles is pretty much handed something that he happens to excel at exactly when he happens to need distraction from his depression frustrates the heck out of me when I'm sitting there wishing for something to pull me out of mine, with nothing in sight.

Date: 2008-10-21 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I don't think books or movies usually affect my mood, though I can't handle horror movies at all and occasionally fiction can trigger emotional reactions. More likely, my mood just goes with the flow, in a good way.

There are exceptions - for instance, after seeing the movie The Fisher King I was depressed for days. And Alan Garner can terrify me by just saying "the sky is blue". But usually a book only bothers me if there's something I can relate to unduly.

One of the symptoms of my depression was an inability to read. I was at a pretty low ebb and lost all ability to concentrate on anything. Couldn't watch TV, either.

But The Curse of Chalion triggered bad memories - didn't depress me so much as make me want to run away. I suppose this is, subconsciously, why I haven't read Paladin of Souls beyond the first totally inoffensive page. But I liked The Hallowed Hunt just fine.

Date: 2008-10-21 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmegaera.livejournal.com
I don't do horror books or movies at all because I nightmare very easily, and I don't enjoy nightmares [g]. I've been that way all my life.

I remember sitting through The Fisher King in the theater and being bored to death (I wasn't alone so I couldn't just get up and walk out).

I did walk out on Braveheart. But that was because that movie generated the most intense anger I've ever had at fictional material of any kind. It wasn't just an "oh, god, they've ruined the history," or anything like that. It was just sheer roaring blood-pounding-in-my-ears, "had to sit in my car for a while before I felt safe to drive," wanting-to-slug-something fury. I still don't know why I felt that way about it, but I still feel my blood pressure go up every time I'm reminded of it. Really bizarre.

I read and read and read when I'm depressed. It's one of the few distractions that really works, although as soon as I surface when I finish the book, I'm right back where I was. Kind of the distraction equivalent of Chinese food.

I wish there was some way to get you to read Paladin. For me, it really is by far the best of the three 5GU books, and I would love to know what you think about it.

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