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From September 4, 2008: Peer pressure: I was looking through books yesterday at the shops and saw all the Twilight books, which I know basically nothing about. What I do know is that I’m beginning to feel like I’m the *only* person who knows nothing about them.

Despite being almost broke and trying to save money, I almost bought the expensive book (Australian book prices are often completely nutty) just because I felt the need to be ‘up’ on what everyone else was reading.

Have you ever felt pressured to read something because ‘everyone else’ was reading it? Have you ever given in and read the book(s) in question or do you resist? If you are a reviewer, etc, do you feel it’s your duty to keep up on current trends?



I'm such a happy nonconformist, I've never in my life read anything because everyone else was reading it.

On the other hand, when 'everyone' is reading a book, I get curious. I want to know what it's like, and understand the conversations about it. This is why I've read the Harry Potter books, and Dan Brown, and... other stuff. I have not read Twilight, though for a while I thought I wanted to. Then I heard more about the story end decided against it.

The thing is, I often don't like the same things that 'everyone' likes. Though X-Men is still popular in the world of comics, it isn't a mainstream thing. Not even the movies, though they're better known. Dorothy Dunnett will never be to the popular taste - I am, in fact, always suprised when anyone besides myself loves the Lymond books, since I feel as if they're my personal domain. But not in a possessive sense.

This applies to the past, too. The classics that 'everyone' reads, or at least, gets assigned in school. I fell madly in love with Shakespeare - well, with Hamlet - as an adolescent - and then Dickens. But I never loved Jane Austen, or Isaac Asimov, or Andre Norton. I sample these things, all of them. And sometimes I'm glad I did. Tolkien, for example, though when I read Lord of the Rings I had no idea it was popular or famous, and no one called it a classic back then. I quite like the Harry Potter books, though not to the extent of feeling fannish about them. I hated The Da Vinci Code , but I'm not sorry I read it. Sometimes it's fun to hate a book for its absurdities and still half-admire it for its money-making properties. Now, that's alchemy - turning words into gold.

I used to review books (and comics) professionally, and enjoyed it. But it never made me want to read things I wouldn't otherwise have read. Writing style is, for me, the most important thing, and I wouldn't expect others to share my stylistic tastes. It's very individualistic, and very subjective.

I've never wanted to 'keep up' with what other people are reading. Sometimes because it looks boring. Mostly because I've always thought of myself as ahead of that curve anyway - I often read such books before other people do.

The important thing is having read the books and authors I love, not just Dorothy Dunnett but also Elizabeth Knox, Ellen Kushner, Megan Whalen Turner, Karin Lowachee. I don't care what's popular, I want to find what's good.

Yeah, I'm a book snob. Or perhaps an inverse book snob. I'm happy that way.

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-04 05:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
All the more so because these books particularly appeal to girls, and things that appeal to female readers are often considered the literary lowest of the low.

Not if they're actually good. I know we'll never agree on this, but my view is just because something is popular with women doesn't mean it's any good and should be supported because of some pseudo-feminist principle. Look at the crappy celeb mags (obsessing over which z-lest 'celebrity' has cellulite/stretch-marks/whatever) that were devoured by my former colleagues at the dental office. A large number of women adore them; it doesn't meant they're not tacky, brain-deadening bilge. With genre romance, formulaic fiction that deals in clichés and gender stereotypes is not, and will never be, great literature.

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-04 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
just because something is popular with women doesn't mean it's any good and should be supported because of some pseudo-feminist principle.

I don't think anything that isn't good should be supported. My point is that many things that are actually good are dismissed or denigrated because they don't fit masculine tastes. Actually quality is beside the point - the people judging them aren't judging them becuase they're bad, but because they aren't to their tastes.

And I agree that there's a lot of bad stuff out there.

My current assessment of the Twilight books is: best ignored till it goes away. I agree with [livejournal.com profile] josanpq that if it encourages young people to read, then it's good in general; but I can't think of a good way to bring these girls to the next step and get them to read more widely. If they've developed a taste for it, maybe they will.

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-04 05:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
Unfortunately, I can only see them graduating on to 'grown-up' vampire bodice-rippers like this: this is just so, so wrong… (http://www.amazon.com/Tempting-Darkness-Templar-Vampire-Book/dp/1599986574/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196613122&sr=1-1)!

I'm honestly not sure if it's any worse for people to be completely illiterate than to read rubbish.

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-04 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
LOL! This is... quite remarkably outrageous.

I like to think there's hope for anyone, but a case can be made for illiteracy - if not book-burning!

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-04 06:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
In my bleakest moods, I sometimes think a case can be made for culling the wilfully moronic.

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-04 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I find that ignoring them works just fine.

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-05 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] monsieureden.livejournal.com
I kind of regard bodice rippers like reality TV. It's completely mindless media that a lot of people seem to love. I dunno.

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-05 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I'm happy that things I don't like exist, as long as I don't have to watch them.

And every once in a while there's something I don't expect to like, but I do. It's a nice surprise.

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-05 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] monsieureden.livejournal.com
ahah oh man, we interlibrary loan that stuff ALL THE TIME.

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-05 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I was joking with [livejournal.com profile] maaboroshi about vampire Templar romances. We thought it was just a silly notion we made up, but bizarre enough that it was bound to exist. And so it does. (Shudder.) I wonder if they're guardians of the Grail, too.

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-05 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] monsieureden.livejournal.com
I'd believe anything, to be honest. It all seems to exist. I'm still not quite recovered from the science fiction story about my dear Prince Rupert, traveling through time with Shakespeare and changing the course of the English Civil War...

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-05 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
What, the Royalists won?

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-05 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] monsieureden.livejournal.com
Yep, he defeats Cromwell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Midsummer_Tempest

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-05 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] monsieureden.livejournal.com
Exactly my reaction.

My poor Rupert.

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-04 05:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
My point is that many things that are actually good are dismissed or denigrated because they don't fit masculine tastes.

I honestly can't think of anything that is actually good that falls into this category.
Or maybe you think I'm too masculine?!

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-04 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
You don't seem very masculine to me at all! No, I haven't heard you falling into this particular fallacy, and it's quite possible that the people around you don't, either. Which is a good thing.

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-04 06:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
I can't say I've ever heard of it happening, to be honest. I've only heard the claim being made by some of these ghastly US genre-romance writers (you know the sort: big hair and Botox), who rather than admit to writing porn-laced trash, prefer to claim that they are "victims of sexism"… Yeah, right.

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-04 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I can picture the type, for sure.

Re: Twilight...

Date: 2008-09-04 08:06 pm (UTC)
ext_120533: Deseine's terracotta bust of Max Robespierre (Default)
From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
They generally have their photos in the back cover: lacquered hair, big pearls, and the sort of grin that goes with a large bank account amplified by plastic surgery. Some of them are even in soft-focus. (Beats head on keyboard that such people exist.)

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