Buffy the Vampire Slayer (2x13) Surprise
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Loved this one: it furthered the plot, it gave us lots of good character bits, it featured a nice framing story - I love the idea of the surprise party. It had three couples I love - Angel and Buffy, Spike and Drusilla, and Willow and Oz. The only thing I didn't like was The Judge: another goofy villain who seems about as scary as Shrek.
But that wasn't to the detriment of the episode at all.
And I had enough of both Angel and Spike in this to keep me happy. I like both these characters; I like them even more when they interact, or when one mentions the other. This is great fun. Maybe I should take up watching Dark Shadows, since it seems that I like vampiric soap operas. Who'd have guessed?
Loved this one: it furthered the plot, it gave us lots of good character bits, it featured a nice framing story - I love the idea of the surprise party. It had three couples I love - Angel and Buffy, Spike and Drusilla, and Willow and Oz. The only thing I didn't like was The Judge: another goofy villain who seems about as scary as Shrek.
But that wasn't to the detriment of the episode at all.
And I had enough of both Angel and Spike in this to keep me happy. I like both these characters; I like them even more when they interact, or when one mentions the other. This is great fun. Maybe I should take up watching Dark Shadows, since it seems that I like vampiric soap operas. Who'd have guessed?
- Buffy's dream. The best use of a dream sequence so far. I like "the hippo stole his pants", which harks back to the animal cookie conversation between Willow and Oz in "What's My Line, part 2" - except Buffy wasn't there for that conversation. But she seems to have applied the 'coup in the zoo' to her dream. The Buffy dreams that Drusilla kills Angel and she is... disturbed to the point of waking.
- So Buffy goes to Angel's place before school. This got me thinking of... various logistics. I assume she walked to Angel's place? Buffy doesn't have a car and doesn't drive (yet). We've seen Joyce drive Buffy to school, but I assume that isn't something she does every day. I guess most places in Sunnydale are close enough to each other to be within walking distance?
- Lovely dialogue between Angel and Buffy. Reminded me of Romeo and Juliet, the bit about it being difficult to part in the morning.
Buffy: I like seeing you. The part at the end of the night where we say good-bye... It's getting harder.
Angel: Yeah. It is. - I had to look up 'moxie': backbone, determination, fortitude, intitiative, skill.
- "Carpe diem" again. I love that line. I like the way Buffy applies it here: "Once you get to a certain point, then seizing is sort of inevitable."
- I like Buffy's question about Oz: "any sparkage?"
- And a good line: "You think he's too old 'cause he's a senior? Please. My boyfriend had a bicentennial."
- Lovely Willow/Oz dialogue:
Oz: It happens. Now, I'm living groupie-free nowadays. I'm clean.
I like the way Oz talks. Then Willow invites Oz to Buffy's surprise birthday party.
Willow: Oh.
Oz: I'm gonna ask you to go out with me tomorrow night. And I'm kinda nervous about it, actually. It's interesting.
Willow: Oh. Well, if it helps at all, I'm going to say yes.
Oz: Yeah, it helps. It creates a comfort zone. Do you want to go out with me tomorrow night? - Although it's part of the 'rude teenager' aspect to the show that I generally don't like, I like it that Xander calls Giles a "funky party weasel" and 'drama queen".
- Good to see Drusilla and Spike again. I like the way Drusilla is dressing in red, and Spike's red wheelchair. The red roses, too - all sorts of interesting visuals going on here. The dialogue is less interesting than these two usually get, but the visuals make up for it.
- I like the dialogue between Buffy and Joyce about being 17, which ends with Joyce dropping the plate and saying "Do you really think you're ready, Buffy?" just like in the dream.
- Enyos. Great to see Vincent Schiavelli again - just looked him up and I see that he was, besides being a very good actor, a writer of cookbooks, for which he won a cookbook award. Who'd have guessed? I remembered his death - it was in 2005 - I was sorry about that. SO now he is Jenny's crabby Gypsy uncle.
- So she's a Kalderash. Looked it up on Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalderash. Hmm. I like this; finally Jenny has a reason to be on the show, besides being a not-quite romance for Giles and a not-quite part of Buffy's gang. So her role is to break up Angel and Buffy. Hmm.
- Loved this example of Giles' dialogue:
Giles: We're having a party tonight.
Giles' version of Buffy's credo, Carpe diem. I approve.
Xander: Looks like Mr. Caution Man, but the sound he makes is funny.
Giles: Buffy's surprise party will go ahead as we planned. Except I won't be wearing the little hat.
Willow: But Buffy and Angel...
Giles: May well be in danger... as they have been before, and, I imagine, will be again. One thing I've learned in my tenure here on the Hellmouth is that there is no good time to relax. And Buffy's turning 17 just this once, and she deserves a party. - I never quite figured out where the surprise party was being held. Is that the Bronze? And why was Jenny picking Buffy up? I thought at first she was trying to take her somewhere else, but it doesn't seem to have happened that way.
- I like Oz's easy acceptance of the vampire situation: "Actually, it explains a *lot*.
- I thought the Judge's arm (sans his body) was more interesting and scarier than the whole creature turns out to be. Likewise, his armour is more interesting than he is.
- So Jenny almost succeeds in getting Angel to leave Sunnydale in such a way that doesn't actually harm him or involve his death. Cool. Good thinking on her part. I like Jenny as covert stealth Gypsy much, much better than Jenny as schoolteacher. I even thought she was prettier in her scenes with Enyos. So: Did Jenny know that the arm of the Judge would be there for Buffy to intercept? Was she just taking advantage of the situation, or did she have some sort of prophetic knowledge?
- "No weapon forged can kill him." Sounds Shakespearean.
- Nice line from the Judge, looking at Dalton: "This one is full of feeling. He reads. Bring him to me."
- Wonderful dialogue with Angel and Spike:
Angel: Take me instead of her!
Spike: Uh, you're not clear on the concept, pal. There is no instead. Just first and second. - So Buffy and Angel have sex and then he takes off into the rain. Uh-oh.
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Date: 2008-04-28 04:19 pm (UTC)For the show's convenience, yes. Sunnydale gets larger and larger as the show moves through the seasons, acquiring new infrastructures and services, but it always seems to be walkable.
Not saying a word about the rest until you've watched the next episode. Except yes, love Oz's dialogue. And I'm still enjoying watching you watch these!
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Date: 2008-04-28 10:24 pm (UTC)I wish Ottawa would do that. It would make things so convenient.
Sunnydale gets larger and larger as the show moves through the seasons, acquiring new infrastructures and services, but it always seems to be walkable.
That's the best kind of town of all. Maybe having a Hellmouth is good for convenience' sake!
'm still enjoying watching you watch these!
I'm so glad.
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Date: 2008-04-28 04:26 pm (UTC)Sunnydale topography is surprisingly flexible.
Me too. He's so self-aware. And sweet.
Carpe Diem
I love the way Oz undercuts complicated explanations.
A Woman of Mystery is generally more interesting.
Oh yes. Pivotal, one might say.
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Date: 2008-04-28 07:41 pm (UTC)Hehehehehe, that's one way of putting it :D
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Date: 2008-04-28 10:23 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-04-28 10:22 pm (UTC)Perhaps the Hellmouth causes it to be littered with wormholes so places aren't always the same distance apart, and there are lots of transtemporal or transpatial short cuts.
He's so self-aware. And sweet.
And always entertaining.
A Woman of Mystery is generally more interesting.
Yes, and I like the way she has a reason for being there - a connection to the action.
Pivotal, one might say.
One might.
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Date: 2008-04-28 05:23 pm (UTC)I'm all nostalgic now...... :)
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Date: 2008-04-28 10:20 pm (UTC)Things do seem to be warming up nicely.
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Date: 2008-04-28 07:45 pm (UTC)You know I remember sitting watching this episode the first time it came out on the BBC, this and the next one. I feel quite justified in saying at this point: Welcome to Buffy the Vampire Slayer :D
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Date: 2008-04-28 11:13 pm (UTC)Yes.
She did get a lot more interesting from here
She has more strength and purpose. And more personality.
I feel quite justified in saying at this point: Welcome to Buffy the Vampire Slayer :D
Hmm, yes! So true, and thank you. [g]
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Date: 2008-04-28 08:53 pm (UTC)Buffy's dream. The best use of a dream sequence so far
I like the sequence because it is appropriately surreal for a dream (they generally are quite good at this from here) and also because it is heavy misdirection for the events to come.
This got me thinking of... various logistics. I assume she walked to Angel's place?
To quote Cordelia in the first episode, "we don't have a whole lot of town". I think Sunnydale is meant to be quite small - but contains many more surprising things than you would think could fit. It's like the TARDIS of towns.
Buffy: I like seeing you. The part at the end of the night where we say good-bye... It's getting harder.
Angel: Yeah. It is.
That line makes me snigger... I have dirty mind these days. I blame the fanfic.
Given what happens, the line "surprise me" re what Angel should get for Buffy's present makes me wince.
Oz: I'm gonna ask you to go out with me tomorrow night. And I'm kinda nervous about it, actually. It's interesting.
Willow: Oh. Well, if it helps at all, I'm going to say yes.
Oz: Yeah, it helps. It creates a comfort zone. Do you want to go out with me tomorrow night?
I like that she immediately says no and Oz's response "see, I like that you're unpredictable". And Willow's expression when she walks off saying "I said 'date'" is very cute.
I find it slightly interesting as well that with Xander and Cordelia, it is Xander who has the better, more mature, attitude to what is going on with them. He's willing to admit he has feelings, she isn't.
Xander: Gone. Notice the economy of phrasing. "Gone." It's simple. Direct.
is one of my favourite Xander lines.
There were some intriguing bits cut from that scene where Buffy talks about her dream, judging by the sript site I found. Giles and Jenny discuss how Slayers often have prophetic dreams as they move toward adulthood, Jenny queries how adult Buffy is at only 17 and Giles points out that Slayers rarely live past the mid-twenties so the life-cycle is accelerated. And then Jenny very strongly hints that Giles should talk to Buffy about how intensely she feels for Angel because "She could make some bad choices
here. Trust me on this one".
Oh, and Giles points out that he is not Buffy's father.
I like the way Drusilla is dressing in red, and Spike's red wheelchair
Especially since before she was usually in white, I think? The wheelchair is an interesting twist on things for them - Drusilla is now very much potent and Spike is stuck an essentially helpless. (I'm also quite impressed by JM's wheelchair skills.)
SO now he is Jenny's crabby Gypsy uncle.
Yeah. And what exactly did he mean by "No matter what you must do, you must take her from him"? Is he suggesting that Jenny kill Buffy?
I think Jenny's most suspicious moment ever is when she takes Buffy in her car. I assume she is in fact just setting her up for the surprise, but there is some doubt there.
Giles: We're having a party tonight.
Xander: Looks like Mr. Caution Man, but the sound he makes is funny.
Giles: Buffy's surprise party will go ahead as we planned. Except I won't be wearing the little hat.
And indeed, Willow is the only one wearing a little hat. The party is in the Bronze, though I always wondered how they arranged that.
I like Oz's easy acceptance of the vampire situation: "Actually, it explains a *lot*.
Me too. Oz can be wonderfully zen about weird things.
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Date: 2008-04-28 11:12 pm (UTC)if there was ever any plot development I wish I hadn't known about ahead of time, this is probably the most significant. There's nothing to be done; I knew about Angel's curse, and the outcome of this episode, within a day or two of its first airing - all my friends who were Buffy fans told me. It would have had a huge impact if I hadn't known. As it is, it was so well depicted that its impact is pretty good anyway.
I like the sequence because it is appropriately surreal for a dream (they generally are quite good at this from here)
Yes. Previously they had used the dream sequence that looked real until something outrageous happened - this is much more effective.
I have dirty mind these days. I blame the fanfic.
Yes, of course. It's entirely the fault of the fanfic. Always.
It's like the TARDIS of towns.
Wonderful analogy! And why shouldn't it be? The supernatural is all over and through it.
the line "surprise me" re what Angel should get for Buffy's present makes me wince.
Both funny and heartbreakingly tragic. Brings to mind: beware what you wish for. She got her heart's desire and then she got her heart not just broken, but eaten and trampled.
I like that she immediately says no and Oz's response "see, I like that you're unpredictable". And Willow's expression when she walks off saying "I said 'date'" is very cute.
That whole sequence is beautifully done - so cute, but not cloying, and well acted by both of them.
[Xander]'s willing to admit he has feelings, she isn't.
She still playing games. Xander... wants to drop the game and make it real.
Giles and Jenny discuss how Slayers often have prophetic dreams as they move toward adulthood, Jenny queries how adult Buffy is at only 17 and Giles points out that Slayers rarely live past the mid-twenties so the life-cycle is accelerated.
I'm sorry that was cut. It sounds like good background.
Giles points out that he is not Buffy's father.
Just as well. I like the way he avoids a parental role.
Especially since before she was usually in white, I think?
Yes, or black.
"No matter what you must do, you must take her from him"? Is he suggesting that Jenny kill Buffy?
Presumably, if it comes to that.
I assume she is in fact just setting her up for the surprise, but there is some doubt there.
I can't think of anything more Machiavellian she might be doing, especially given the outcome, but it certainly looks suspicious.
The party is in the Bronze, though I always wondered how they arranged that.
I would guess that Giles rented the place for the evening.
Oz can be wonderfully zen
There are many reasons to like him.
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Date: 2008-04-28 08:54 pm (UTC)Yeah, it was a good plan and good thinking on her feet. I don't think she knew about the Judge arm at all, it was just opportunistic.
I find the bit with the Claddagh ring sweet, but I have to mention a line that really irritates me:
Angel: My people... Before I was changed, they exchanged this as a sign of devotion
What's this "my people" rubbish? Were the 18th century Irish some strange pagan tribe that Buffy would never have heard of? Why on earth couldn't he just say "In Ireland..." etc.?
Back to the plot, I like the round robin concept. I also like Xander having to remind his mother who he is when she doesn't recognise his voice.
I thought the Judge's arm (sans his body) was more interesting and scarier than the whole creature turns out to be. Likewise, his armour is more interesting than he is.
He is played by the same actor who was Luke from the first two episodes. (Who was also the neck-stabbing alien assassin in X-Files.)
I like the line about Dalton reading being unacceptable - oh no, thought! But I find the Judge's reaction to Spike and Drusilla more interesting; he goes to burn them straight away because they "stink of humanity. You share affection. Jealousy..."
I also find Drusilla's line intriguing:
"It's delicious. I only dreamed you'd come"
So Dru was dreaming about Buffy as Buffy was dreaming herself at the party? Spooky. Whose was the original dream?
And then the end. Dun dun duuuuun.
Roll on Innocence.
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Date: 2008-04-28 11:19 pm (UTC)And it almost worked.
What's this "my people" rubbish? Were the 18th century Irish some strange pagan tribe that Buffy would never have heard of? Why on earth couldn't he just say "In Ireland..." etc.?
Are we not supposed to know he's Irish? It certainly is a strange way to phrase it.
I also like Xander having to remind his mother who he is when she doesn't recognise his voice.
yes. I'd forgotten that!
I find the Judge's reaction to Spike and Drusilla more interesting; he goes to burn them straight away because they "stink of humanity. You share affection. Jealousy..."
That was great. They didn't look amused, either.
So Dru was dreaming about Buffy as Buffy was dreaming herself at the party? Spooky. Whose was the original dream?
Lovely synchronicity whichever way it happened.
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Date: 2008-04-29 06:45 pm (UTC)Very probably, yes. It made a huge impression on me. There are other heartstopping episodes, but this is the first one where Joss et al really showed what they could do.
I wanted to comment on this, but I forgot:
The only thing I didn't like was The Judge: another goofy villain who seems about as scary as Shrek
I always have a feeling that this is partially deliberate - the Judge is a threat but he is also another misdirection away from the fact that the real villain of the piece, the one who is going to make an impact, will be Angelus.
Are we not supposed to know he's Irish?
I'm pretty sure the Irish thing got mentioned in Angel. Hold on... it's either in that one or Hallowe'en
Ah, it's from Angel:
Giles: There's mention over two hundred
years ago in Ireland of Angelus,
the one with the angelic face.
I also like Xander having to remind his mother who he is when she doesn't recognise his voice.
yes. I'd forgotten that!
Xander's home life never gets particularly explicit - neither does Willow's for that matter - but there are occasional little hints about things that pop up.
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Date: 2008-04-29 06:50 pm (UTC)It's very well set up, also. Things really do come to a turning point - Buffy's birthday, the fear of losing Angel for a long time or forever, the ring he gives her - but then the whole situation is twisted around 180 degrees.
I always have a feeling that this is partially deliberate - the Judge is a threat but he is also another misdirection away from the fact that the real villain of the piece, the one who is going to make an impact, will be Angelus.
Good point. A bit of misdirection. The Judge may be dangerous, but Angel is the really significant danger in their midst.
Thanks for finding the reference to Ireland - I love it when Giles gives good background.
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Date: 2008-05-04 11:51 pm (UTC)Re: part 2
Date: 2008-05-05 01:08 am (UTC)Possibly. Do we get more information at any point?
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Date: 2008-05-05 12:01 pm (UTC)Re: part 2
Date: 2008-05-05 01:26 pm (UTC)Re: part 2
Date: 2008-05-05 09:09 am (UTC)And I still think it comes off as a very clumsy line, regardless.
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Date: 2008-04-28 11:37 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2008-05-06 02:07 am (UTC)Sigh.
Talking about how Oz speaks, and how it is not neurotypical... don't think I can recapture that part.
The rest of it... I"m sorry. bad day here.
Glad you continue to enjoy this. Aren't you getting tired of seeing Buffy several times a week, though?
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Date: 2008-05-06 07:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-07 01:13 am (UTC)I find that I enjoy the episodes (interestingly, some of them I've never yet seen all the way through), but that I need breaks now and then, so I watch Stargate or Battlestar Galactica or cartoons. Yes, cartoons! Animaniacs, to be precise. I highly recommend.
I am sometimes having trouble getting up the energy to write about it.
Do what you can. No point in forcing yourself to meet a quota for time online, right? Don't wear yourself out... do what feels right. (Which, I know, you are doing.)
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Date: 2008-05-07 03:32 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-09 12:18 am (UTC)You're right: Buffy is light, and complex, and enjoyable. And it's truly fun to see all the links with Firefly.
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Date: 2008-05-09 12:43 am (UTC)Doesn't really feel like it.... I muddle along. Don't seem to have much focus to the day.
last night I went ahead and watched "Band Candy," just because I couldn't wait any longer.
That's the last Buffy episode I've seen. Loved it.
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Date: 2008-06-18 01:58 am (UTC)Aww... I muddle along. Don't seem to have much focus to the day. Well, back then, you didn't. You were still working on getting over needing the pain medication so often. Your bones were still healing! Now, they are knit well, and you are finally able to get to the rest of your rehab. And I'm still very proud of you.
"Band Candy" is delightful and nasty in all the right ways. Wait till you see "Beer Bad." Heh.
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Date: 2008-06-18 03:49 am (UTC)What do you think of it? (Keep in mind I haven't seen the end yet.)
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Date: 2008-06-19 09:14 pm (UTC)I loved it, actually, and so will you; didn't you love the Parker-gets-rescued-and-realizes-he's-a-cad daydreams at the beginning? They are so apropos.
And Xander with practicing his "Rough day...?" bartender line. Heh.
Let me know when you've seen the rest, so I can say lots more!
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Date: 2008-06-20 01:40 am (UTC)Yes, I loved it. I thought the regressed Buffy was utterly cute.
Loved the Parker daydreams and the ending where they came true - and Buffy decked him.
Yes, now I've seen the rest. And sometime in the dim and distant future, I'll actually write about it!
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Date: 2008-06-25 10:06 pm (UTC)There were some fun, but very subtle, Willow/Buffy slashy things in this. But you may not be wanting to see that, as you said the youthfulness thing bothered you.
"Boy smell nice."
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Date: 2008-06-26 01:39 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-26 10:49 pm (UTC)Don't remember any more of it right now, sorry. It doesn't look as if I can go get those DVDs; too unwise to spend the money on something I've already seen, when other things are waiting to get taken care of. Ah, well.
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Date: 2008-06-29 04:08 am (UTC)Waking up in the morning and staring at the television as if she'd never seen one. Standing up to go to class when Willow said it was getting time to do so -- and needing to be advised to change out of pajamas! Sitting in class behind the girl eating a sandwich, and reaching out to take it because it looked good. Hm, hard to tell just what cave-Buffy might have done next, on healthy and honest impulse.
(Too bad Spike wasn't around! ...Think any of that charmed beer was left, at the end of the episode?)
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Date: 2008-07-03 09:33 pm (UTC)I really enjoyed that moment. And the look the girl gave her!
Probably just as well Spike wasn't part of the mayhem - would Sunnydale ever recover?
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