Torchwood: Countrycide...

[fajrdrako]

Watched Torchwood episode 6, "Countrycide", this evening. Hmm. Lots of thoughts, can I adequately express them? Probably not.

1. I liked it; a lot. I liked the creepy mood of suspense, the villains who turned out to be neither aliens nor animals, the sense of fear permeating the episode. I felt we got to know all the characters much better, with the possible exception of Jack.



2. Absolutely loved it when Jack drove in at the end like the cavalry, guns blazing. Loved it.



3. Go, Tosh! She was terrific. Our lovely geek turns out to be tough and brave.



4. I usually hate medical-type scenes, but the scene of Owen taking care of Gwen when she was shot was both sexy and sweet.



5. So: Gwen and Owen. Interesting. There will be lots of repercussions, I'm sure. This is most cool. I still think Gwen/Jack is more interesting than Gwen/Owen but this is still fun to see. I hope the sex was as good as he promised. Will she tell Rhys? And indeed, why did she go for Owen rather than Jack, if she wanted sex with someone who knew and understood the experiences they had just undergone? Because Owen is more accessible, more easy? (Woo, has Jack changed, if that's the case!) Because she wanted Owen? Because he needed her, too? Because Jack frightens her, a little?



6. I liked the many mentions of Owen being a doctor.



7. I am somewhat bemused that our famously omnisexual Captain Jack seems to be the one who, for all we have seen, is living celibate. Of course this fits into my happy fantasy of his love for the Doctor, and his current alienation.



8. I liked Ianto more than I have yet. Not that I ever disliked him, but he seemed so intoverted in past episodes, revealing so little of himself, even when hysterical about Lisa. I began to feel both that he was coming to trust the others, and that we were seeing the real Ianto.



9. Lovely Welsh countryside. It was fun seeing our urban heroes in a non-urban setting.



10. The villains were fun. I liked Gwen's desire to know why, and the villain's answer. In fact, the whole episode was nicely creepy.



11. When Gwen had the chance to shoot the villain, why didn't she do it? Was it fear that Owen would be shot? Why did she wait?



12. Loved the questions about kissing. Did no one ask Gwen? And what alien life form did Jack last kiss? I'm hopeless: I couldn't help thinking of the nice kiss we saw in The Parting of the Ways - that was a nice kiss with an alien life form. Of course, Jack kissed the sex alien and Ianto - was he just being discreet, or does a non-sexual kiss not count? Which brings me back to my puzzlement about Jack's personal life. He seems to be spending his nights working at Torchwood, not living the high life at Cardiff's sex clubs.



13. The preview for next week: hot.

Comments

[kiyuchan.livejournal.com]

Re 12, I thought Gwen started the game and then started with herself, her last kiss being with Rhys.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

That sounds likely. I might have missed a line. Will watch again.

Love your icon!

[kikibug13.livejournal.com]

Yay :) I watched it last night too.

Re Absolutely loved it when Jack drove in at the end like the cavalry, guns blazing. Loved it.

Loved it, loved him, love him! I was starting to cool on Captain Jack, a little (with Gwen's interest moving to Owen, I guess) but this scene just upped him... rocket-hight. Oh boy.

Go, Tosh! She was terrific. Our lovely geek turns out to be tough and brave.

Yes. And she also had a bit of bitchy outburst, right after Owen had snubbed her, and then had said he last kissed Gwen (she was a bit of that - but against Gwen, which at that point wasn't fair). I think she decided to forego it, though. I wonder if all the shots of her being alone in the trailer for next episode are her reaction against Gwen and Owen.

And indeed, why did she go for Owen rather than Jack

Well... Owen practically begged her for it, and with her present violent moods, she sort of fit with him.

I liked Gwen's desire to know why, and the villain's answer.

I think there was another undertone of that scene. It was that the villager knew that Jack understood why they all did it. And that Jack wanted to protect Gwen from the knowledge. I think Jack is very concerned about Gwen at this point, he knows that Torchwood is sucking her in very hard and fast.
Re the creepiness - I really appreciated the skill of the atmosphere build-up, but... I have a failing of growing too emphatic with the characters, and I am not all that fond of being afraid. I also think the creepiness, and the human outcome, was very well done, and very good for opening the emotional currents that were intended in this episode.

When Gwen had the chance to shoot the villain, why didn't she do it?

I think that she's just human enough to be incapable of killing a human in cold blood. It's not right. It just isn't, and even though she's already held the knife when a man died, and she _might_ have been in a police shooting or something (although her lack of knowledge for guns slaughters that idea), deliberatly killing somebody while looking in his eyes is... different. I think Owen understood that. He shook his head "No" - it may have been fear that he'd get shot, but it may have been knowledge that if she killed that policemen, something innocent in her would die.
Just my 2 cents...

Loved the questions about kissing.

Well yes (and yes, Gwen started it and said Rhys, which is probable). Outside of that... was anybody honest in answering?
Owen's last screen time kiss _was_ with Gwen - but are we to belive he didn't have any by-side shags between Cyberwoman and Countricide?
Jack clearly evaded the question. (I don't know if he's keeping celibate, but I do think he's trying to keep his love life away from his work, which is good).
Ianto - his last kiss was definitely Jack. And he knew it.
I don't recall (and can't check right now) what Toshiko answered...

Oh well... I'm really looking forward to next week. more alien, possibly less gore...

[atheneunknown.livejournal.com]

Tosh's answer was Owen, the year before on christmas eve, waiting for a cab. She had mistletoe.

Owen looked at her like she was insane, and said "You haven't had a snog since christmas?"

It shows how lonely she is, how isolated. And I see now that their may be more of a bond between those two then she wants to admit.

[kikibug13.livejournal.com]

Ah yes, now I remember.
She may have been honest too. That would make... what, two of them?

[atheneunknown.livejournal.com]

yah, that we're sure of.

the beauty of captain jack is that he can lie, and his crew can lie outright to each other, but he still has the right to kick your ass if anyone gets hurt lol.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

has the right to kick your ass

And I love it when he does that. He kicks ass so... stylishly.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

I was starting to cool on Captain Jack, a little (with Gwen's interest moving to Owen, I guess)

I still have a bit of a problem with Owen - well, not really a problem, since I find his dialogue and his role intersting, but I find Burn Gorman unattractive and consequently Owen doesn't seem the least bit sexy to me. I can see that Gwen finds him sexy and that's good enough, but Owen could just drop out of the show and I wouldn't blink. I'd rather have Suzie back. I hope this isn't a case of "beware what you wish for". And I tend to find Gwen sexier with anyone but Owen, but that's okay too.

this scene just upped him... rocket-hight. Oh boy.

Yes! Our cowboy Jack.


Tosh also had a bit of bitchy outburst, right after Owen had snubbed her

I am torn between concluding that she's wanted Owen for a while, and he's ignored her, or that they had sex once or twice and he dumped her. Either way, I can't blame her for feeling unwanted.

Owen practically begged her for it, and with her present violent moods, she sort of fit with him.

Yes. Owen is very forthright about what he wants, while Jack is sometimes warm and sometimes unapproachable and altogether more challenging and emotionally dangerous.

I think Jack is very concerned about Gwen at this point, he knows that Torchwood is sucking her in very hard and fast.

Yes. I think he knows she isn't quite ready to handle it. Note that he tends to keep Gwen with him, and send the others off - even though you'd expect Ianto to be the emotionally fragile one at this point.

I am not all that fond of being afraid.

I never watch horror movies (and never well) and don't like being scared at all. But so far this show has been easily within my parameter of fear and creepiness - I'm not sure why. I've enjoyed the scariness without actually being scared. Well, not much. Maybe I'm getting tough in my old age. (But I wouldn't count on it.)

was anybody honest in answering?

Tosh was honest, presumably. She said she kissed Owen at Christmas - which sounds extremely innocent, considering Owen's life.

Jack clearly evaded the question.

And in an honest sort of way, too, though the others didn't know how to take it. They've seen him kiss an alien life form in "Day One". They don't know he kissed Ianto - if that even qualifies as snogging for the purpose of the question!

I do think he's trying to keep his love life away from his work, which is good).

Oh, yes. He's not talking.

Ianto - his last kiss was definitely Jack. And he knew it.

That's what I think.

[kikibug13.livejournal.com]

I do think he's trying to keep his love life away from his work, which is good).

Oh, yes. He's not talking.

I meant that I don't think he's "doing", or intends to, any of them. Including Suzie.

Re Owen - I wouldn't want him in my life. He would drive me insane, and I'm sure of it. Dropping out of the show... perhaps not. I think he sort of fits with the Torchwood team of misfits. Sane people among them? Not for long, I think.
I don't think Owen is any less emotionally dangerous than Jack, the way Gwen approaches him. I would reiterate - I think Owen is emotionally abusive, and Gwen trusting him - to share what's happening to her - is a mistake. Jack... I think that if Jack wanted her, he would not allow her to get emotionally involved. BTW, with this episode I have some ideas for the second draft of fanfic, I'll probably post it later tonight; if you're still interested in beta-reading, you could give it a look one of these days.

Re Owen and Tosh... considering the pics on her desktop (Torchwood site), I see it he was after her for a while. Love/Hate relationship, yes. Sex, perhaps. I think that kiss that Tosh mentioned was her effort to recapture his attention. :-/

Yes! Our cowboy Jack.

As I mentioned in my squee of the episode (scary it was for me, but the emotional stakes are really, really getting higher for me), that scene so made me think of the song "I need a hero"... 'cause he looked and acted the part.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

meant that I don't think he's "doing", or intends to, any of them. Including Suzie.

I agree. Which leaves the question open of who/what he is doing, and when, and why.

I think Owen is emotionally abusive, and Gwen trusting him - to share what's happening to her - is a mistake.

Good point. I don't think Owen can be trusted to be kind. I think he wants to bully her.


have some ideas for the second draft of fanfic, I'll probably post it later tonight; if you're still interested in beta-reading, you could give it a look one of these days.

Oh, yes, I would be delighted to look at it. Send it on!

I think that kiss that Tosh mentioned was her effort to recapture his attention.

Oh, good thought. That makes perfect sense.

that scene so made me think of the song "I need a hero"... 'cause he looked and acted the part.

I love it when he does that. In the greatcoat, no less.

[kikibug13.livejournal.com]

Oh, oh, and do you think those burgers that they bought, the ones that Tosh refused to eat because of danger of hepatitis infection, were human meat (or did I miss a reference to them later in the episode?)

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

I don't think there was another reference to the hamburgers in the episode - so it's a sort of open question. Maybe we're just to interpret as we wish. It's certainly enough to make a person hesitate to eat meat in that vicinity for a while!

[kikibug13.livejournal.com]

I don't think there was another reference to the hamburgers in the episode

Thanks. As I said, I skip-watched, so I may have missed a quick reference.

It's certainly enough to make a person hesitate to eat meat in that vicinity for a while!
Yep. It also sort of makes sense as it was the spot of the latest disappearance (although I suspect the girl that disappeared at that spot was the one that made Gwen queasy a bit later).

[atheneunknown.livejournal.com]

1. I liked it as well, though about five minutes in my cousin was like, what the hell is this? Texas Chainsaw Britain chapter? And I have to agree. Not a bad thing though, equally creepy to any of those movies
2. Loved that scene. Especially the whole "Oh yah?" thing. Damn near made me piss my pants laughing, it was the perfect tension breaker for that scene.
3. Tosh made me happy by being a person instead of a computer with a personality in this one, which makes me happy about next week.
4. That scene was absurdly sexy to me, and I'm not sure why, seeing as I have a healthy fear of all things medical.
5. I think she went to Owen because she knew he wouldn't reject her. And maybe that whole little thing in the forest opened her eyes a little to just how bland her life outside of torchwood is in contrast to everything she's just now learning to deal with.
6. This made me happy, now he's not just a pervo with a medical degree, we see he can actually use what he's learned.
7. I don't think Jack is living celibate, I don't think thats possible for him, honestly. He's to innately sexual as a being. I do however think that he's trying hard to not let himself get attached to anything.
8. Still don't like Ianto. Maybe he'll grow on me, but something about him makes me wanna slap him. Which is sad because I'd thought I'd be writing a ton more Jack/Ianto slash by now.
9. Was quite pretty, really. I like how it looks, though after seeing that episode I might choose to never go anywhere near it lol.
10. The villains answer desturbed me, for much the same reason it probably disturbed her. I beleived him. Thats more terrifying then anything I can think of.
11. Because Owen said no. This entire episode was a bonding experience for them, and she trusted his judgement there.
12. Jacks last kiss was with Ianto. I think he chose not to say that for fear of embarassing the only person whos seemingly straight on the team lol.
13. Preveiw owns me totally, it makes my heart warm.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Texas Chainsaw Britain chapter? And I have to agree. Not a bad thing though, equally creepy to any of those movies

I haven't seen any of those movies, and don't intend to. Why I can watch Torchwood without flinching, I have no idea.

it was the perfect tension breaker for that scene.

Yes. It was wonderful.

Tosh made me happy by being a person instead of a computer with a personality in this one, which makes me happy about next week.

I agree. At last, she had dialogue that wasn't interpretation of data, and a part in the action. She was perfect. I want more of Tosh, and I guess I'm going to get it. Yay!

4. That scene was absurdly sexy to me, and I'm not sure why, seeing as I have a healthy fear of all things medical.

Yes. It was so effective. I felt it was a glimpse of the real Owen, too, for all he's covering up his own secrets.

5. I think she went to Owen because she knew he wouldn't reject her.

Good point. She didn't want more emotional turmoil, she wanted to simplify what she was already feeling.

And maybe that whole little thing in the forest opened her eyes a little to just how bland her life outside of torchwood is in contrast to everything she's just now learning to deal with.

Yes. Remember what Suzie said about the job being the best, but it takes over your life. That's happening to Gwen, in ways she didn't expect. She's already slipping away from the 'normal' life that Jack wanted her to have. You can't be on both sides of the fence at the same time.

I also think that Gwen is a bit of an action-seeker, the likes the adrenaline highs, just like Tosh does. But she doesn't yet know how to deal with it.

I don't think Jack is living celibate, I don't think thats possible for him, honestly. He's to innately sexual as a being

I would like to think that. I look forward to learning more about what he's doing, and with whom.

I do however think that he's trying hard to not let himself get attached to anything.

Yes. I think being attached to people comes easily to Jack - he has a warm heart by nature - but he's learned how badly he can be hurt.

Still don't like Ianto. Maybe he'll grow on me, but something about him makes me wanna slap him.

LOL. I still find Ianto rather bland and unformed, but he has potential. I like the way he didn't let them forget about him and Lisa.

10. The villains answer desturbed me, for much the same reason it probably disturbed her. I beleived him. Thats more terrifying then anything I can think of.

Absolutely. We're back to the 'alien monster within the human soul' sort of thing.

12. Jacks last kiss was with Ianto. I think he chose not to say that for fear of embarassing the only person whos seemingly straight on the team lol.

Right. Good luck to Ianto on that.

Preveiw owns me totally, it makes my heart warm.

Yes. Much to look forward to.

[sarren.livejournal.com]

2. Yes, it was definitely time for a shoot out *g* My only regret is that he bothered to shoot them in the legs. Show off :)

3. Tosh! Yes. Don't we all identify with her? Obviously that kiss with Owen had meant something to her, and now she has to watch him fixate on someone 'shinier'. Don't blame her for being bitter.
I love how she was tough in this, but realistically. She tried, and failed, but she didn't give up. *hearts Tosh*

4. I loved Gwen's reactions to being wounded, the pain, and the pushing away, and then her hand relaxing on his shoulder. I loved how involved with each other they were, and Owen telling Jack that he'd 'got her'.

5. See, I'm way more into Gwen/Owen because of how intense and into her he is, though it wouldn't actually surprise me if two weeks down the track he dropped her like a hot brick when something more interesting came along. He IS a bastard. It's that he is a one night stand kind of guy, yet Gwen seems to mean more than that to him that's intriguing. *sigh*

The Jack/Gwen gun range scene was HOT, and the fact that Jack confides in Gwen is promising, but to me Jack seems just too removed from, well, humanity, for him to truly connect with someone. I would like to be wrong. Mostly I want the Doctor to come for him *g* but that's not going to happen.

7. Alienation, yes. Like he's just...waiting to move on.

8. Interesting. I didn't get the feeling that he was coming to trust the others at all. I got the impression that he was feeling more isolated and different than ever. With the pointed bitter references to Lisa, and then talking to Tosh about how she and the others got off on danger, whereas he was just frightened and trying to deal. I find him fascinating and I hope they keep that theme going.

11. I can't believe how badly she fucked up there. She had visual proof that these people are mass murderers, her teammates are missing and she lets them take her and Owen prisoner. If this wasn't a tv show they'd all be dead. I've read other posts where people read Owen's headshake to mean 'don't shoot'. I think it meant the opposite. He could see she was hesitating and was like 'don't surrender'.

12. I don't think Ianto would remember Jack kissing him. He was unconscious and then suddenly awake and disorientated with Jack going 'shush' at him, and then having to focus on all the shit that was going on.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

My only regret is that he bothered to shoot them in the legs. Show off :)

If he wasn't a show off, he wouldn't be Jack, it'd be a Skrull impostor or something.

Obviously that kiss with Owen had meant something to her, and now she has to watch him fixate on someone 'shinier'. Don't blame her for being bitter.

Very human.

I loved how involved with each other they were, and Owen telling Jack that he'd 'got her'.

I liked that, too. Owen being - what, possessive, protective? Was if because it was Gwen, or because he saw her then as his patient, or both?

I'm way more into Gwen/Owen because of how intense and into her he is, though it wouldn't actually surprise me if two weeks down the track he dropped her like a hot brick when something more interesting came along. He IS a bastard.

I would agree with all that, which is what (for me) makes these developments interesting. Does Owen want Gwen for he finds her attractive, or because she's new, or because he thinks Jack wants her, or - out of habit? Whatever it is, I find it quite fascinating that whatever it is he's offering (even if just intense orgasms), it's something Gwen wants.

Gwen seems to mean more than that to him that's intriguing. *sigh*

Definitely more interesting than it would be if they simply liked each other.

The Jack/Gwen gun range scene was HOT,

It certainly was. I wouldn't mind more of that. I like the contrasts we see between Gwen's relationship with Jack - friendly, confiding, warm, even sometimes snuggly, but with a gulf between them - with her relationship with Owen: lust, anger, a sense of shared experience but not shared confidences. Much simpler but interesting in itself.

and the fact that Jack confides in Gwen is promising, but to me Jack seems just too removed from, well, humanity, for him to truly connect with someone. I would like to be wrong.

Well, since I am fixated on Jack's relationship with the Doctor, I'd like to think he is, too. Note that when the subject of snogging was raised, Jack twisted it to "snogging an alien"? This leads me to think his relationship with Estelle was before "The Parting of the Ways" and he has since been too alienated and too fixated to love humans. But the canon, though it doesn't in any way contradict that notion, hasn't directly supported it, either. We shall see, and meanwhile, I can dream.

Mostly I want the Doctor to come for him *g* but that's not going to happen.

You think not? I'm not so sure.

Alienation, yes. Like he's just...waiting to move on.

Fitting my hopes that he left his heart on the TARDIS, but we shall see. I cetaintly wouldn't mind if he should start to console himself with Gwen or Ianto.

Ianto - I find him fascinating and I hope they keep that theme going.

I agree! I'll keep your comments in mind on second viewing and see what I think. It isn't that I think he's over his grief, anger and isolation - just that he was dealing with it. I'm not sure.

I can't believe how badly she fucked up there...If this wasn't a tv show they'd all be dead.

I don't mind that she fucked up, I just wonder why she did. Why sacrifice a position of strength? I'm not sure why Owen would have wanted her not to shoot, either - it was his life on the line - but if he wanted her to shoot, why didn't she?

I don't think Ianto would remember Jack kissing him.

His loss! ...I wonder what he would think if he did remember?

[kikibug13.livejournal.com]

If he wasn't a show off, he wouldn't be Jack, it'd be a Skrull impostor or something.

Slitheen?

Well, I know he isn't fat enough, but then Rose thought Ten could be a Slitheen when he appeared in the stead of Nine, so...

Definitely more interesting than it would be if they simply liked each other.

ROFLMAO!
There is a musical called Into the Woods, which I find quite interesting (well, I saw the video of a production with Bernadette Peters as The Witch, and that was awesome), where the witch tells the rest of the characters, with disgust "You're so nice. You're not good, you're not bad, you're just _nice_". This so fits with "if they simply liked each other"...

I don't mind that she fucked up, I just wonder why she did. Why sacrifice a position of strength?

Remember what Miles says, about judging the man in the line of fire? It is very well to say she sacrificed a position of strength, but I wasn't holding that gun. Gwen acted as a human, not as a character, in that moment. Because even though the... alien-ness of Torchwood is starting to get to her, she's still human, and is, deep inside, a good person. I think. I think her dropping the gun utterly expected. That's why there is a difference between killing a person in self-defense and manslaughter (if I have the term right).

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Slitheen?

LOL. Jack as Slitheen... well, it would show better taste in bodies than the Slitheen usually show!

As for Gwen dropping the gun - do you think she just couldn't bring hereself to kill a man deliberately, or that she was frightened, or that it was a moral choice not to kill?

[kikibug13.livejournal.com]

I think she couldn't bring herself to kill a man deliberately. Which is what makes her different from the villagers, in the end.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Which is what makes her different from the villagers, in the end.

And from the others on the Torchwood team. I don't think they'd have hesitated - though I'm not sure about Ianto there, and I don't understand why Owen shook his head at her.

[kikibug13.livejournal.com]

I don't understand why Owen shook his head at her.

Perhaps he decided that shooting that guy wouldn't fix things. Which sort of makes sense (although it would really make sense if he knew what they later learned - that all the villagers were in it). He doesn't know where Ianto is, but he suspects the two guys who are there are not the only ones who make things happen.

Or perhaps he was afraid of his head getting blown off as a dying reflex - he'd know the probability of that, I think.

Or perhaps the headshake meant "I can't believe you haven't shot him yet!"
Or "That's just so you. You have the chance to do the thing, but cannot bring yourself to do it."

Or so many other things... I have to re-watch the episode.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Perhaps he decided that shooting that guy wouldn't fix things.

Well, it might have saved his life, or hers, if the villagers had been about to shoot. But yes, he probably wanted to get more information. Owen seems to have nerves of steel, in general.

I'll see what I think when I watch it again tonight! And this time it's going to be a Torchwood party, so I can ask my friends what they think, too.

[kikibug13.livejournal.com]

Yay! Enjoy! (Stifles a bit of envy... I'll get over it :) )

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

If we had a good transmat beam, you could join us. I wonder if Jack has any stored away at Torchwood.

[sarren.livejournal.com]

Can I come to your Torchwood party? *is jealous*


I assume they are making Gwen's character not cope well deliberately, hence the turning to Owen for support. Personally, if I was Jack, I'd be sitting her down and asking her to consider seriously whether she feels she's right for this job.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Can I come to your Torchwood party? *is jealous*

Of course - you'd be welcome. In fact, I made pineapple-baked chicken and commodorified brough more chicken and we had enough supper to feed an army. Which was fun. I ignored my diet and had two helping.

I assume they are making Gwen's character not cope well deliberately, hence the turning to Owen for support.

Yes. Her weaknesses are showing. This is good, actually. I'm just rooting for her to turn into the hero she could be - and which I hope she will be. I love her really human moments, like feeling the need to know why a cannibal becomes a cannibal.

if I was Jack, I'd be sitting her down and asking her to consider seriously whether she feels she's right for this job.

I think Jack has a bit of a 'sink or swim' attitude to his team when it comes to training them. He's doing it with Ianto too. Maybe this shows the Doctor's influence - find an adventure, leap into it blind, then find a way out of it.

[sarren.livejournal.com]

*pouts* I love chicken.

I love her really human moments, like feeling the need to know why a cannibal becomes a cannibal.


Interesting. That scene had the opposite effect on me. I was like, if you get obsessed like this, you're not going to make it.

think Jack has a bit of a 'sink or swim' attitude to his team when it comes to training them. He's doing it with Ianto too.

I agree, and I wonder if it's down to his lack of real connection to them, or to what their trying to achieve. Cos seriously, lack of training is going to get people DEAD.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Yes, the chicken was great.

I don't think Gwen is obsessed, just that her determination and curiosity can be a liability sometimes. And Jack knows it. I don't think she has learned it yet.

[sarren.livejournal.com]

Mostly I want the Doctor to come for him *g* but that's not going to happen.
You think not? I'm not so sure.

*intrigued* Please explain?


I don't mind that she fucked up, I just wonder why she did. Why sacrifice a position of strength? I'm not sure why Owen would have wanted her not to shoot, either - it was his life on the line - but if he wanted her to shoot, why didn't she?

I think she's just not coping. It would be interesting if they continued this, with her doing something that stupid that has serious consequences.


I don't think Ianto would remember Jack kissing him.
His loss! ...I wonder what he would think if he did remember?

Somebody should write this, with Ianto maybe just remembering say, the feel of Jack's lips and wondering why he thinks he knows how Jack tastes, and maybe just getting flashes of heat and the sensation of being held tightly and the smell of wool and something intangible. Then Jack'd put his hand on his shoulder again and stand too close and then he recognises that smell and turns and Jack's hand slides from his shoulder to the nape of his neck and he shivers and then he looks into Jack's eyes which are focussed intently on him, dilated. He has Jack's complete attention and it feels like victory and then Jack kisses him and it feels like surrender.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

*intrigued* Please explain?

Two thoughts. The first is that this isn't entirely separate continuity; it's clear Jack hasn't forgotten the Doctor, that events in the continuity of Doctor Who have had their impact on the continuity of Torchwood - the Battle of Canary Wharf, for example. We don't know why the Doctor hasn't contacted Jack, though I have few theories. Put another way: we know the Doctor can't contact Rose again, but I see no such constraint on his contacting Jack, if he should choose to.

[Actually, I'm cheating a little here, because some of my theories do involve just such constraints and barrier. Which doesn't mean they would be insurmountable, necessarily.]

The other thought is: we know Jack will be in season 3 Doctor Who. We don't know whether Jack will find the Doctor, or the other way around - or even whether it will all be happenstance.

I think she's just not coping. It would be interesting if they continued this, with her doing something that stupid that has serious consequences.

I agree. I must add that I'm glad that her inability to cope didn't end up with Owen being dead. I may not be a huge Owen fan but he has an interesting place in the plot.

Oooh: What a nice sexy paragraph about Ianto and Jack.

[sarren.livejournal.com]

Jack will be in Dr Who? *does happy dance* I'm extremely spoiler-phobic so the last thing I'd heard (way before Torchwood even started) was that there would be no crossovers between the shows.

OMG the potential for Ten/Jack is making me GIDDY!!!

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Jack will be in Dr Who?

Yes indeed.

*does happy dance*

Me too.

I'm extremely spoiler-phobic

Oops, I hope you don't mind that as a casting spoiler!

OMG the potential for Ten/Jack is making me GIDDY!!!

Uh-huh. So far everything on Torchwood has just increased my interest in the Jack/Doctor pairing.

[sarren.livejournal.com]

Oops, I hope you don't mind that as a casting spoiler!

As soon as I stop dancing around the house, I'm definitely going to think about being annoyed! *g*

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

I am happy to feel like the bearer of good news.

Love your icon!

[sarren.livejournal.com]

Hee!


I'm embarrassed that I don't remember where I got it. *blushes*

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

It'd good wherever it was. How I love references to my favourite pairing! Sometimes I think everyone has forgotten Jack/Nine in the excitement over Jack/Ianto.

[sarren.livejournal.com]

NO NO NO NO. Nine/Jack 4EVA!!! *g* Though this latest episode....

*shuts up in case you haven't seen it*

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Nine/Jack 4EVA!!!

Well, that's my favourite. So very sexy.

Though this latest episode....

I've seen it - you were about to make reference to Jack, Ianto, and stopwatches? Hmm?

[silverwhistle.livejournal.com]

Great episode. Shades of the Sawney Bean legend, a tale of a family of isolated, incestuous cannibals in Galloway (SW Scotland) in early 15C. The trailer looks promising!

Interesting to see that Gwen is being drawn away from 'normal' domestic life. Working for Torchwood is like being on active military service: once into it, some people can never adjust back to civilian life and relationships.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Great episode.

I thought so too - even though I don't usually like horror plots. They got it right!

The trailer looks promising!

I thought so! Yay for Tosh.

Interesting to see that Gwen is being drawn away from 'normal' domestic life

Which was not what Jack wanted for her at ll - he thought it was important that she should keep a happy home life with Rhys.

Working for Torchwood is like being on active military service: once into it, some people can never adjust back to civilian life and relationships.

They say that people working in the police forces have a similar problem. Interesting that Gwen saw her life with the Cardiff police as being tame, predictable, and it fit in easily with her domestic plans.

[silverwhistle.livejournal.com]

She may have had fairly routine duties in the police - but even if not, Torchwood takes things to a far more alarming level than anything she might expect to encounter in the police!

Another thought re: Owen. He is, of course, a medic. I recall female medics on our corridor at university. Medics tended to be known for being a bit crazy re: sex, drink & c.

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She may have had fairly routine duties in the police

Well, it appears she did, as a lowly PC. Taking coffee to the DIs and standing perimeter guard and so on. Presumably she didn't have too much direct contact with aliens, cannibals, or malignant supernatural manifestations.

Yes, I can buy it with medics being both stressed and tending to extremes. I don't believe Owen is unrealistic or unconvincing - rather the contrary.

[silverwhistle.livejournal.com]

I tended to avoid the medics, especially en masse. From what I heard, their parties generally involved people drinking themselves sick (often as a competitive sport) or taking their clothes off. They were into binge-drinking and attendant vices before they spread to much of the young UK population. Sleazy, generally. Yet strange how, once in the outside world, we are forced to trust them! Mind, most of them grow up; Owen is still young enough to retain his studenty traits.

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Yet strange how, once in the outside world, we are forced to trust them!

There aren't a lot of alternatives! I'd go to an acupuncturist instead, if OHIP would cover it. Actually... my doctor is female and I think of female doctors as being less inclined to such excess. This may be naive of me.

Owen is still young enough to retain his studenty traits.

I don't think it's just his youth - I think his career was derailed and he was sidetracked somehow. In a way that reinforced his tendency to arrogant and crude behaviour, rather than discouraging it.