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I sent e-mail to the friend I am angry with, telling her I was angry and why. I told her she was boorish and solipsistic. Writing the letter didn't make me feel better (I'd hoped it would) but at least I feel I'm being honest with her, and not keeping my anger to myself. I am slow to anger, but equally - it seems - slow to get over it.

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Date: 2006-08-23 02:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rosiespark.livejournal.com
I hope you never have to tell me I'm solipsistic - I'm ashamed to say that I didn't know what it meant and had to look it up. ::shakes head sadly:: That would really be a cutting insult, to be called something that you had to look up. *g*

Date: 2006-08-23 02:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] gem225.livejournal.com
I hope that your friend reads the e-mail, realizes that she was in the wrong, apologizes to you, and never treats you in such a way again.

"Are" vs "Did"

Date: 2006-08-23 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] idiotgrrl.livejournal.com
Having been on the wrong end of "You ARE...." too many times, I need to chime in with: did you explain what she DID?

Because some of the "You ARE..." scoldings felt to me like totally undefined accusations. I remember asking humbly to be told what I'd done wrong, only to be told that the very fact that I had to ask, proved I WAS a....(whatever. Yeah. solipsism and self-centeredness usually fit that paradigm.)

Not to mention that one can correct a bad behavior better than what you ARE.

I have been accused of -- I am -- self-centered and solipsistic and sometimes boorish, not from ill intent but from a general tone-deafness and natural inward orientation. I have learned to correct many of the behaviors which people dislike, both because it's no fun being disliked, and because I never had any intent to hurt them.

I presume you know for a fact your friend either intended to hurt you or didn't care. But -- just my $0.02,

Pat

Date: 2006-08-23 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Oh dear, I hope she doesn't have to look it up! I thought it would be better than telling her she was full of herself. Don't worry, I can't even imagine you being solipsistic, you are an entirely different kind of person.


Re: "Are" vs "Did"

Date: 2006-08-23 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
did you explain what she DID?

Oh, yes - it was actually a crime of omission not a crime of commission, and I carefully spelled it out, starting my note by saying that I was explaining because I thought it was terribly unfair to be angry with a person and not to tell them why. "But what did I do?" is a plaint I have heard from many people when other friends are mad at them.... And I confess, I had a tiny, brief impulse not to tell her, to make her figure it out, but that would be simply vindictive, which I don't want to be.

I don't think my friend intended to hurt me. It was more a matter of ... taking advantage of myself and several other friends in a way that should not have happened in the first place. Perhaps not even a terrible offense in itself, but one of a series of similar thoughtless unkindnesses.

Anyway, your comments are appreciated.


Date: 2006-08-23 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jkluge.livejournal.com
I had to look up "solipsistic." *g*

I'm so sorry to hear that someone hurt you and I wish the letter had eased your feelings. {{E}} And why is it that we remember the things that made us angry for so long? I'm the same way. Is it a survival mechanism? Whatever the cause, I hope this incident will fade quickly. Maybe trying to replace those feelings when they occur with memories of your *best* times will help.

Here's one: your Pros fiction was excellent. From the few episodes I've seen, even *I* can tell that you captured the characters beautifully and with pinpoint accuracy. A true pleasure to read. I'm sorry I had to sell my Motets and other Keynote zines because I'd like to reread your stories now and then, revisit them.

Date: 2006-08-23 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
What a very nice thought. Yes, I hope so too. She has been a good friend to me the past; it would be nice to go return to that level of friendship.

Date: 2006-08-23 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I had to look up "solipsistic."

Hey - my anger is a learning experience!

why is it that we remember the things that made us angry for so long?

I don't know - sometimes it seems that unkind acts conistently have more impact and resonance than acts of kindness. Which I suppose is why we have international wars - and why people who are abused are so harmed by the abuse.

Anyway, thanks for the comments about my Pros fiction. You say just the right things to make me happy! I'm so glad you even remember my stories.
You've made my morning - thank you!

Date: 2006-08-23 03:23 pm (UTC)
ext_15621: The Pixel in a paper bag (Default)
From: [identity profile] rosiespark.livejournal.com
I had to look up "solipsistic."

Whew. What a relief that it wasn't just me! *g*

Date: 2006-08-23 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jkluge.livejournal.com
LOL Nope. [Unknown site tag] clearly has a more esoteric vocabulary than either of us. ;-)

Date: 2006-08-23 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Just kick my ankles when I use incomprehensible words, okay?

Date: 2006-08-23 03:42 pm (UTC)
ext_15621: The Pixel in a paper bag (Default)
From: [identity profile] rosiespark.livejournal.com
In an attempt to distract you/make you laugh, here's a question for you:

Do you consider Stuart guilty of solipsism?

Please illustrate your reply with as many examples as possible - both words and pics are allowable and, indeed, necessary. Please feel free to ramble, deliberate, pontificate, prognosticate and wax lyrical. Extra length will be rewarded*.

;P

* that's length of reply. What else? *g*

Date: 2006-08-23 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jkluge.livejournal.com
I love reading the dictionary, so I was happy to look up "solipsistic." And now I have another word to add to my vocabulary. ;-)

I'm so glad my (well-deserved!) praise helped.

I'm naturally solipsistic myself, so it's something Ihave to fight against. Also, your comments about abuse put somethiong instantly into perspective -- I was feeling ill-used by a couple of family members over some small injustices -- and your comment made me flash onto something I'd heard recently about Holocaust victims -- twins who were tortured with terrible medical experiments by Mengele and his evil colleagues. Hm...maybe I've got it pretty good, really and I should let the small stuff go. (And this is not in any way to cast any judgements about your situation -- I totally understand how the small stuff can add up and just make you very angry after a time! You're completely justified in feeling that way. But your comment and *my* train of thought made *me* feel a bit better by thinking it could be worse.

;-) Could be raining.)

Date: 2006-08-23 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jkluge.livejournal.com
But how would we learn lovely new words then? Keep on using them, dearest!

Date: 2006-08-23 03:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
I know the feeling. A few months ago, I severed all contact with a family I had known for nearly 20 years. It still hurts that they accused me of insensitivity when they knew I had just lost my job, and was in a very touchy and fragile emotional state. See Attack of the Smug (http://silverwhistle.livejournal.com/25646.html).

Date: 2006-08-23 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Do you consider Stuart guilty of solipsism?

My first thought was to say 'no', but why do I think that? He's certainly egotistical, careless of the feelings of others, directed to his own purposes....

But he seems to have a good understanding of himself and others, even when he doesn't have much of a conscience about it. He does have a purpose, and goals, and directions - what is the line from "Pygmalion": "all stop and go, and no consideration for anyone." Stuart gets bonus points for entertainment value, looks, gumption, courage and intelligence.

Which is not to say that... maybe, just maybe, if I knew Stuart I'd be fed up with him and yelling at him for being solipsistic. And then I would probably forgive him. (Pretty much like Vince does, on various occasions.)

Date: 2006-08-23 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Hopefully you let let me know when I become totally unintelligible and need to walk around with a tame interpreter beside me.

Now, isn't that an image straight out of Star Trek? Reminds me how much I loved the episode "Darmok". Language is such a tricky thing.


Date: 2006-08-23 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
That's recent, too. I'm sorry you have a break with those people. Sometimes it seems that when trouble hits us, it hits from several sides at once, and when we are least able to handle it.

I remind myself of Eleanor's line in The Lion in Winter: "what family doesn't have its up and downs?" - Defining 'family' here as long-time friends, which is my substitute for relatives.

Date: 2006-08-23 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I love reading the dictionary

So do I. Sometimes when I encounter an unfamiliar word while reading I am in a state total glee at having discovered something new. I was delighted to learn "nudiustertian" yesterday - isn't that a great five-dollar word? - it means, "relating to the day before yesterday."

I'm trying to find a way to work it into conversation but I haven't had any luck yet.

Yes, letting the small stuff go is good. There's a lot to be said for perspective. I'm glad the train of thought made you feel better.

Date: 2006-08-23 04:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
Yes. My patience had been wearing thin with them for a while, especially with their very immature student daughter, who was into all this 'animal rights' stuff. (As I said, if someone can use the word 'speciesist' with a straight face... I'm out of there!), and we'd grown apart. But I wasn't expecting such hostility, and I realised, looking back, that they'd been probing my views on various things for a while, no doubt feeling very morally superior.

Yes, I prefer friends to relatives. Apart from my father, there's no-one in my blood family with whom I have much in common or with whom I can talk as an equal. I'm not sure I even like my mother. Apart from my Dad, most of the family on both sides is under-educated and mundane. I have cousins who have no qualifications between them, but have made a packet either in the oil industry or in hair-dressing. This is valued and appreciated - "isn't so-and-so wonderful?", while I am pitied. I always wished I had been born into a professorial family...

Date: 2006-08-23 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wanderinunicorn.livejournal.com
You have knowledges - it's something that nobody can take away from you.

Date: 2006-08-23 04:51 pm (UTC)
ext_120533: Deseine's terracotta bust of Max Robespierre (Default)
From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
Indeed. Though it doesn't pay the rent, and it means I might as well be a Martian as far as they are concerned. When I was a child, it was as if I was a performing animal. "Oh, isn't our M. clever?" said aunts who could barely write a coherent paragraph. But like most uneducated people, and most of the world, they measure achievement by money. A self-made cousin with no qualifications but a nice detached house in the country is seen as far more impressive than someone with a PhD, on unemployment benefit, who doesn't even own their own furniture, whatever they may have written and published.

Date: 2006-08-23 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wanderinunicorn.livejournal.com
I know that feeling, I was always like an alien to my surroundings because of my interests. There is no other possibility only to accept the things like they are. I would like to have a field (for exemple history) which I would know as good as you. There would be no cousins to whom I would compare myself.

Date: 2006-08-23 05:16 pm (UTC)
ext_15621: The Pixel in a paper bag (Default)
From: [identity profile] rosiespark.livejournal.com
As [livejournal.com profile] jkluge says, we like your long words. :)

And it seems we're all dictionary readers. Yay!

Date: 2006-08-23 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
A self-made cousin with no qualifications but a nice detached house in the country is seen as far more impressive than someone with a PhD, on unemployment benefit, who doesn't even own their own furniture, whatever they may have written and published.

Yes, but you don't want to be like them, do you? Let them live with their values - incomprehensible to me, but we all have our own paths to self-fulfillment or self-expression or whatever. Freedom is perhaps the operative word here. I would rather have a full mind and an empty house than the other way around.

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