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Date: 2006-07-26 03:18 pm (UTC).. maybe you could, Lynda with a "y".
Looking forward to your horrendous, messy death, miss.
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Date: 2006-07-26 03:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-26 03:44 pm (UTC)(This show is littered with bit actors I know and love.)
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Date: 2006-07-26 03:57 pm (UTC)*fans self* That's hawt.
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Date: 2006-07-26 05:05 pm (UTC)I noticed.
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Date: 2006-07-26 05:09 pm (UTC)Also... Bad Wolf and The Parting of the Ways?
*head a'splodes*
*gets tissue, weeps*
*head a'splodes some more*
*freaks out*
*head continues to a'splode with teh awesome*
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Date: 2006-07-26 05:15 pm (UTC)At the risk of sounding like a broken record: me too.
Woo.
See, this show taps into all my idiosyncracies and kinks.
You've seen "The Parting of the Ways" now? Rose as god? Woo.
I haven't watched those in a week or two. Must watch again.
(And Captain Jack. I want Captain Jack back and I want him *now*.)
[Sorry, just pulled a little Captain Jack fit there. I'm sure you understand.]
Sniff.
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Date: 2006-07-26 05:28 pm (UTC)(I can't believe he got left behind! At the risk of sounding cliche: OMGWTFBBQ!?! I can only hope they left him there so he can make a grand entrance later on. I love, love, love how he kissed both of them. Bestowments of grace and love all around.)
Rose as God-- oh, that was wonderful, she rocks, I love her, it was brilliant, I AM SO PLEASED IT REQUIRES THE CAPSLOCK. The Doctor as God. The Doctor sending her away. His little message. The kiss, which is simultaneously extremely satisfying on a shipper level and a symbolic one (there's always a kiss.) The gorgeous modification of Rose's voice-- "I want you safe. My Doctor. Protected from the false god." The Doctor's sadness that he'd never again see her with those eyes; his grinning sort of excitement at the prospect of being someone new. I had goosebumps for the entirety of both shows.
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Date: 2006-07-26 05:59 pm (UTC)Oh, absolutely. Episode after episode picks up more of our chosen themes and paradigms, and in so many different ways.
Great noses
Check
great voices
Check. (Good accents, too.)
a character that speaks FIVE BILLION languages I'll get over that any day now, honest)
You don't need to get over it. I haven't! It's just part of the things that make the show and the character so compelling, and so perfect for us. You could make a map of correspondences to "traits I like in heroes" or "great themes in fiction".
a playful sort of attitude
contrasted/juxtaposed with the character's talent for magnificent anger, occasional authoritarianism, general easy-goingness, massive (justified) guilt, where suspense and tension play with wittiness and wry commetnary on life
a plotline that fits right in with bigger myth
And does so over an over, but always in different ways. Never predictably, always satisfyingly.
a strong female who's not, you know, a STRONG FEMALE RAWR
Yes, it's just the right balance - she's no fool and no wimp, it isn't even really surprising that she can become a hero, but she's never out of character even while her character grows - and you know she had it in her all along
(she really is very Philippa)
So very much so. Can't you imagine Rose going over the mountains with Cheese-Wame Henderson and a pistol to warn the Doctor of some danger? or Philippa packing her back-pack like Rose does at the end of "World War Three", coming into the Tardis and announcing, "I'm going with you now."
Not to strain the analogy too far, but there are even hints of Austin Grey in Mickey Smith. Following Rose devotedly even though he knows she's mad over the Doctor, but still wanting to protect her, still wanting her to come home and choose him. And the Doctor's easy contempt of him, mixed with treating him decently and giving him chances to shine. (You've only seen part of this yet.)
that awesome mix of deep morality and questionable ethics in the lead character.
That most of all. Which is an aspect of the "thinks for himself" pattern that I love so much.
I can't believe he got left behind!
Neither can I. On a show that makes a point that 'we don't leave people behind.' I am floored. They loved him, you could see that, and he went to sacrifice himself for them (and the world) as necessary, and they left him behind.
Wow.
I can only hope they left him there so he can make a grand entrance later on.
Whatever else happens, when Captain Jack returns, it will be a grand entrance. What else could it be?
I love, love, love how he kissed both of them.
That was just so perfect. John Barrowman has said that he made a point of kissing Eccleston in exactly the same way he kissed Piper. Grace indeed. And nothing ecessive or self-conscious about it.
I love that scene. It says so much that they don't say aloud. It's quite clear that Captain Jack (still not really believing in himself as a hero) would do anything for them, or would do anything because they wanted him to.
And we've already seen what the Doctor will sacrifice if he thinks it's the right thing to do. He already let Rose die once in "Dalek".
But the Daleks were gone when they left Jack behind. I can't get over it. I love it and hate it both.
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Date: 2006-07-27 03:20 am (UTC)Doctor, doctor, tell me the news-- I got a bad case of lovin' you....
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Date: 2006-07-27 12:58 pm (UTC)Oh, how very perfect!
Just think how after that eight hours you can watch another episode, or see one of them again. That gets me through the day!
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Date: 2006-07-28 05:54 am (UTC)contrasted with the character's talent for magnificent anger, occasional authoritarianism, general easy-goingness, massive (justified) guilt, where suspense and tension play with wittiness and wry commetnary on life
The most magnetic people are the ones who are everything. It's the same with characters. I love a man with a broad and varied capacity for stimulus/response.
And does so over an over, but always in different ways. Never predictably, always satisfyingly.
I got to the Milton's Lucifer comparisons way before they brought it up in the context of the Dalek Emperor being a god, honest I did. Rose fits a hundred different Goddess archetypes in her moment of power. Three kisses, and Little Red Riding Hood (I can't believe I've never noticed Rose's sweater until recently.)
Yes, it's just the right balance... and you know she had it in her all along.
And she's got a completely different kind of wisdom than the Doctor, which is brilliant. He's never lived the quiet normal life of the lower middle class, and she has, and, being one of that ilk myself, I recognize and salute her smarts. She's savvy to a lot of things in a way the Doctor by nature isn't and can't be, while ignorant enough to be delighted by many of the things he takes for granted. They make a wonderful pair.
Can't you imagine Rose going over the mountains with Cheese-Wame Henderson and a pistol to warn the Doctor of some danger?
Not to mention the Doctor leaving her ass on the middle of a deserted road if she threatened him with crying! I can picture the twin expressions of exasperation on Francis' and the Doctor's faces. *grin*
I was actually about to point that out, although if Mickey tries an Austin Grey in the end I WILL KICK HIS ASS, since the Doctor lacks a conveniently similar-looking sister. If we want to take it further I can make a convincing case for Cap'n Jack as a liberated Jerott or Will Scott (y'know, one who's admitted it.)
To be fair, I can sort of see how it happened. The Doctor thinks he died. Rose doesn't remember that she brought him back to life. Still, I can't believe the Doctor doesn't mention it to her! Maybe it's a:
"Ford, what about the others?"
"Arthur, you'll have to learn, it's a convention in all space-travelling species that if you have to ditch someone-- y'know, a friend-- and there's nothing you can do, you just let it be, you don't talk about them, okay?"
"What, really?"
"And then we get blind drunk about them later."
sort of deal.
Aha! Wikipedia has answers! Apparently in the Children in Need seven-minute special, which is the first interaction between Rose and the New Doctor, she mentions Jack and the Doctor says he's busy helping rebuild the Earth. But how does he know? Does he know it's actually true or is he just lying to protect her 'cause he doesn't want her to know Jack's dead? And, more importantly, did you know that there's a bit of a to-do about a Cap'n Jack spinoff called Torchwood? Sounds good to me.
That was just so perfect. John Barrowman has said that he made a point of kissing Eccleston in exactly the same way he kissed Piper. Grace indeed. And nothing ecessive or self-conscious about it.
One of my favorite moments in the entire series thus far, doubtless. Absolutely flawless. In a lot of ways I think Jack serves as something of a stand-in for the viewer on an emotional level: loving Rose and the Doctor equally, and loving RoseandtheDoctor, the equation created by the two, as well (watching them dancing with that huge grin on his face, for a start.)
And we've already seen what the Doctor will sacrifice if he thinks it's the right thing to do..
Love characters who do that, too. Russell T. Davies, et al, clearly sneak into my room at night and read my diary like stalkers in order to create a character that will push all my buttons.
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Date: 2006-07-28 04:00 pm (UTC)Isn't it wonderful? I wish he'd use his natural Scots accent, though. I like that even better.
CE has a gorgeous one too.
I could listen to it all day. No - I wish I could listen to it all day.
the transition from CE to DT really showcases the difference in English regional accents, which is an awesome little side-benefit.
Great fun. Many planets have a north.
I love a man with a broad and varied capacity for stimulus/response.
I agree definitely. Unpredictability is also a draw for me. And a sense of style - especially, as here, an off-beat style.
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Date: 2006-07-28 04:23 pm (UTC)Of course!
Rose fits a hundred different Goddess archetypes in her moment of power.
Any apotheosis myth, and many of the hero myths.
and Little Red Riding Hood (I can't believe I've never noticed Rose's sweater until recently.)
They cleverly threw you off the trail by making it pink, not red.
And she's got a completely different kind of wisdom than the Doctor, which is brilliant.
Her human roots are always obvious.
He's never lived the quiet normal life of the lower middle class,
And would hate do do so, he would think it a fate worse than death (wait till you see him contemplating getting a mortgage!), and yet he loves people like this, and they fascinate him. Well, all people fascinate him, but it's all part of the pattern.
She's savvy to a lot of things in a way the Doctor by nature isn't and can't be,
Being human, which he isn't. He sometimes doesn't quite 'get' the human thing.
while ignorant enough to be delighted by many of the things he takes for granted.
He loves it when he can show her something new and different and exciting. Just as she loves it when she can introduce him to something mundane that's fun.
They make a wonderful pair.
Wonderfully so. I never expected to love Rose as I do.
Dunnett parallels
Date: 2006-07-28 06:29 pm (UTC)Just exactly right in both cases!
I was actually about to point that out, although if Mickey tries an Austin Grey in the end I WILL KICK HIS ASS
I will say nothing that might be taken as a spoiler. Mickey's progress is ... interesting. I enjoy what happens with Mickey. Putting aside plot points and looking entirely at characterization, I think the analogy is brilliant: the Doctor is rude to Mickey just as Lymond was rude to Austin, while Mickey and Austin show similar types of jealousy for similar (justified) reasons. Mickey knows Rose prefers the Doctor. Austin knows Philippa prefers Lymond. Both Mickey and Austin persevere, and both Rose and Philippa keep them hanging on - feeling considerable affection them, but not to be compared with the grand passion they feel for the Doctor or for Lymond.
And even if Rose or Philippa weren't present, Mickey and Austin are outclassed by the Doctor any by Lymond by whatever measure you might want to use: social, military, tactical, intellectual, joie de vivre, curiosity. And Mickey and Austin know it, which doesn't help.
With regard to people resembling people... Well, there's no Marthe, but when it comes to doppelgangers, you have some cool stuff coming up.
If we want to take it further I can make a convincing case for Cap'n Jack as a liberated Jerott or Will Scott
I love the idea of Captain Jack as a Will Scott parallel. Of course he is. Including that when they first met, Will is trying to con Lymond, and didn't want to reveal his identity, which Lymond had already guessed. Their subsequent contretemps can be paralelled to the Chula ambulance fiasco; but Lymond/the Doctor forgives Will/Jack and Will and Jack both prove their worth by risking/sacrificing their lives for Lymond, the Doctor, and the greater good.
Then in "The Parting of the Ways", the Doctor doesn't get there in time to save Jack, and ends up losing him even though Jack wanted him to be there on time.
Too bad there was no god!Rose to bring Will Scott back from the dead.
Re: Dunnett parallels
Date: 2006-07-28 08:32 pm (UTC)Of course, it'd work with Mickey. Hell, it'd work with the Doctor, but not... oh, can't you just see it? (His lips tightened ... "It works with me, too," he said. "But perhaps not quite in the same way.")
Thank you for not spoiling me. I liked Austin Grey, and I like Mickey, and I hope the latter has a better ending than the former. And, yes, the minute the Doctor started insisting his name was "Rickey" (although he seems to have given that up), I was all, "Haaaaaaay, this sounds kind of familiar!" Lymond and the Doctor both have resumes that don't exactly lead naturally into trusting your girl's life in his hands, either. Philippa makes the choice between an ordinary life and an extraordinary one, too, over and over, and also leaves her mother (who is considerably better adjusted than Jackie, I would like to add, go Kate!) and her suitor behind.
The Doctor and Lymond are also both significantly older and more experienced, of course.... and everyone keeps throwing Rose at the Doctor, over and over, in much the same way everyone throws Philippa at Lymond, intentionally or not.
With regard to people resembling people... Well, there's no Marthe, but when it comes to doppelgangers, you have some cool stuff coming up.
You tease. I watched New Earth last night and have to say, Billie Piper and David Tennant were both having way too much fun being possessed by Cassandra. (Oh, and, after the kiss, when his voice rockets up about three octaves: funniest thing ever? Quite possibly.) And the reoccuring theme of dancing-- if Nine is Glen Miller, Ten is a samba. Good method of comparison. I like it. (And, like all basic dance forms, the samba has two building blocks of movement: the forward step, and the backward one. "Forwards or backwards in time? Your choice.")
You just used the word "contretemps". See, this is why I want to be you when I grow up!
Ha! Yes! And Lymond bashes Philippa on the head and gets her out whether she likes it or not, doesn't he? Will Scott would approve, just as Jack did, although not from the same frame of reference (Jack approves because he loves Rose and wants her to be safe, Will would approve.... more on principle. Still!)
No kidding. The burden of being historical, I suppose.
Re: Dunnett parallels
Date: 2006-07-28 10:33 pm (UTC)I almost quoted that. It's just so apropos.
Thank you for not spoiling me.
I wouldn't want to be spoiled, myself.
I liked Austin Grey, and I like Mickey,
In some ways I like Austin better - though I am always outspoken in my resentment of Austin for what he does to Philippa and what he tries to do to Lymond. Mickey ... I came to admire Mickey, for many reasons. Including his loyalty, even reluctant loyalty, to Rose.
the minute the Doctor started insisting his name was "Rickey" (although he seems to have given that up)
Keep watching, and you'll learn more about that.
Lymond and the Doctor both have resumes that don't exactly lead naturally into trusting your girl's life in his hands, either.
Death. Monsters of various kinds. Danger. Not the kind of thing to put Austin's or Mickey's mind at ease, even less Kate or Jackie. Come to think of it... Kate's attraction to Lymond parallel's Jackie's with the Doctor, doesn't it? In sort of contrasting ways. Jackie is really sort of man-crazy, but you can also tell that for all her mixed feelings, she thinks the Doctor is special.
Philippa makes the choice between an ordinary life and an extraordinary one, too, over and over, and also leaves her mother
But like Rose, brings her mother presents from afar. Philippa keeps her diary, addressed to Kate like letters; Rose keeps her cell phone so she can call Jackie from almost anywhere.
(Oh, and, after the kiss, when his voice rockets up about three octaves: funniest thing ever? Quite possibly.)
Yup.
And the reoccuring theme of dancing--
Have I mentioned how much I like that? Yes, the samba analogy is good.
Contretemps: good word.
Lymond bashes Philippa on the head and gets her out whether she likes it or not, doesn't he?
Goes with the territory.
Captain Jack
Date: 2006-07-28 06:43 pm (UTC)That's possible, but I don't think she has forgotten what happened when she was a god. He might think she has.
And, more importantly, did you know that there's a bit of a to-do about a Cap'n Jack spinoff called Torchwood?
Yes. I can hardly wait. They're already shooting it; I've seen photos of the set and of Captain Jack, looking quite wonderful in a long coat. Give me a few minutes and I'll switch to a Torchwood icon. Okay, done.
In the "Confidential" after "Doomsday" (the last season 2 episode of Doctor Who), they showed scenes from filming of Torchwood, including a few mini-interviews with Barrowman and a story conference where the producers were contemplating the implications of working on a show that would be shown at 10 p.m., at which time they could depict more 'adult' situations - and then they discuss what that might mean. (We didn't get to hear their conclusions.)
Barrowman said that when Captain Jack next appears, he's miffed with the Doctor for leaving him behind.
Jack serves as something of a stand-in for the viewer on an emotional level: loving Rose and the Doctor equally, and loving RoseandtheDoctor, the equation created by the two, as well
So very true. I certainly identify with Captain Jack!
(watching them dancing with that huge grin on his face, for a start.)
Wonderful moment.
Russell T. Davies, et al, clearly sneak into my room at night and read my diary like stalkers in order to create a character that will push all my buttons.
The Tardis is psychic. I think it relays suggestions from my brain to Davies'. And then he teases me by giving me what I want, little by little, but not necessarily everything.... If it were 'everything', Captain Jack would be back on the show already.
more reply about Rose
Date: 2006-07-26 06:03 pm (UTC)It was. It seemed to fitting - her motivation and opportunism, he rising (as it were) to the occasion - an apotheosis that was both heroic suicide and the only thing she could do.
simultaneously extremely satisfying on a shipper level and a symbolic one (there's always a kiss.)
Yes, tying themes together. And images.
his grinning sort of excitement at the prospect of being someone new.
Uh-huh. And Rose not knowing what to expect.
I had goosebumps for the entirety of both shows.
No wonder.
The next season builds on this quite nicely. Builds from this.
Re: more reply about Rose
Date: 2006-07-26 06:21 pm (UTC)I love all the physical interaction that goes on-- the easy hugs, the handholding... stuff that happens all the time in real life but is never portrayed in TV. And the kiss, of course. But she doesn't remember! The Doctor's never going to mention it, is he? That's so very him. *rolls eyes*
He's going to freak out over the fact he has hair, isn't he? I can see it coming. Hee.
Re: more reply about Rose
Date: 2006-07-26 06:33 pm (UTC)Yes - killing in order to save, on several levels. Setting up the Divine Rebirth/Regeneration, too. And it's Rose as both Judge and Saviour. She condemns the Daleks and gives life again to the Doctor and Jack.
the same way she humanizes everything else she touches
Definitely Jack. Good point. She is also saving the Doctor from his past - this time she is destroying the Daleks, so he won't have to - again, making herself his equal as creator/destroyer of races and taking on the guilt as well as the grace.
I love all the physical interaction that goes on-- the easy hugs, the handholding... stuff that happens all the time in real life but is never portrayed in TV.
This is part of what makes it seem (despite all the wild fantasy) so very real, in human terms. And personal terms. It may be mythic in scope, but it isn't abstract in any way. It's normal human intimacy and it isn't meaningless on any level.
And the kiss, of course. But she doesn't remember!
She remembers some, later. You know how so often, in comics and TV and movies, really amazing things happen to the characters and then they forget all about and it has no consequences? Well, that doesn't happen here.
Not that we get more kisses, alas. But we do get... another level of relationship, and Rose, besides always being Rose, has a new level of confidence/heroism, and no looking back. There's a wonderful scene (I'll try to say this spoilerlessly) where Jackie is worried that Rose, decades from now, will have lost her humanity because of all the strangeness she has experienced. But it's all part of the adventure: Rose is still Rose, but Rose also needs the experiences she can find.
He's going to freak out over the fact he has hair, isn't he?
Teeth. He has some trouble with the teeth. Yes, his new body gives him some amusement.
Re: more reply about Rose
Date: 2006-07-26 07:12 pm (UTC)Re: more reply about Rose
Date: 2006-07-26 07:27 pm (UTC)I wish I could. I'm at work, and would like a nice diverting show. Ah, well, tonight I get to see The Idiot's Lantern, which isn't much further on....
just to reassure myself he wasn't really gone, and Ten-- well. Yeah. I love him already.
Lovable, isn't he? He isn't Nine, but he's... an acceptible replacement.
different in good ways without reducing Nine a jot.
Yes, exactly. In some ways, a nice contrast. In other ways, a nice continuation.
I can't quite imagine the stories with Nine being done with Ten, and vice versa, but there's a nice continuity of character and theme.
I can really, really see Rose's influence on him... he's a lot younger, more playful...
More boyish. But sometimes he says things that pull you up short. Sometimes the playfulness is deceptive. Sometimes not.
I can see Nine being much like him, in fact, twenty-odd years earlier.
Not two-hundred-odd years earlier? The intertemporal interconnectedess (and discontinuities) make my head hurt - in a good way.
Re: more reply about Rose
Date: 2006-07-27 05:54 am (UTC)Re: more reply about Rose
Date: 2006-07-27 01:08 pm (UTC)Yes.
How did that not set off character bells?
It's just subtle enough. It's something you might expect in a normal person. You have to blink, and think "wait a minute, this is the Doctor. In a party hat."
He actually sits and does a meal and wears a crown-- hee--
No bother about reasons not to. No putting a distance here.
after all Nine's "I don't do domestic", too.
There's more of that from Ten, in a different (escalated) way. He will never "settle down". But he is sometimes ... willing ... even eager to go out of his way to please Rose.
How did I not catch that until now?
I'm still catching stuff in watching things a second and third time. When I'm not just basking in it.
I love watching the development (if that is the word) of the Doctor's relationship with Jackie. At last she's not slapping him any more. Accepting him... they way she used to accept Mickey - not cutting him any slack, but he's part of the family. Tho' she has reservations, for Rose's sake, she'll accept him because she has no choice ... still making her disapproval clear whenever she thinks it necessary.
Jackie is a nice barometer for the Doctor/Rose relationship.
Re: more reply about Rose
Date: 2006-07-27 04:06 pm (UTC)I love the way Ten and Rose grin goofily at each other a lot when he comes back, like teenagers with a crush. There's a certain reservation that's been removed... not that they're about to declare their love for each other or anything, just that the mistrusting bit of Nine is gone. It fits nicely with the: a.) new man, b.) she saved his ass and proved her worth and is now pretty much on a level with him, c.) ... great, now I don't remember what C was, but it was a good compelling reason that will doubtless come to me as soon as I hit "Post Reply". Anyway.
Exactly. I did notice he seemed to get along better with Jackie-- for Rose's sake, doubtless... he's got to be feeling a bit guilty about all sorts of things concerning her-- but somehow the meal whizzed right past me. I also think his new face is a bit easier on Jackie... she's very concerned with appearances and the leonine predatory sort of look that Nine had, not to mention the age gap, would make it harder to accept Nine than Ten, who looks-- and, mind, I said "looks"-- a lot less dangerous, and is so much younger.
Re: more reply about Rose
Date: 2006-07-27 04:32 pm (UTC)It's obviously good for him.
I love the way Ten and Rose grin goofily at each other a lot when he comes back, like teenagers with a crush.
Uh-huh. They did it before but not so much, not so obviously.
not that they're about to declare their love for each other or anything
You think not? My contention is that they don't have to, even at this point, because they both know - though it might still be a little to early in "The Christmas Invasion" to be sure of the status quo ... I think they had come to love each other in season 1, but the Regeneration (and the events leading up to it) made them both regroup and reconsider the relationship a little. Leaving them afterwards all the more sure of each other, though there are undoubtedly ... tricky bits.
now I don't remember what C was, but it was a good compelling reason that will doubtless come to me as soon as I hit "Post Reply".
I agree with 1 and 2, though I think there's a level of readjustment going on for a bit. If you think of (c), do tell me.
For me, (c) is that in season 1, Rose loved Nine and Nine knew it and thought it was unwise for her or for him to love each other too much - only pain would come of it. After the Regeneration, the Doctor has discarded that reservation, for better or worse.
Ten, who looks-- and, mind, I said "looks"-- a lot less dangerous, and is so much younger.
Yes. Even though Jackie knows it's the same man, she feels better with this one. She has fewer fears of him, is more willing to trust Rose with him - but Jackie still doesn't like the fact that Rose picks the Doctor, over and over, in preference to her normal, safe life with Jackie in London.
Add to that a certain level of attraction for both Nine and Ten that Jackie feels herself, adding to the tension level. (Well, Jackie's only human, and, um, who wouldn't?)
We know from several eps. that Jackie didn't always approve of Mickey, but he must look damn good to her as Rose's boyfriend, compared to the Doctor - who always, always takes Rose away to danger in the Tardis.
I wanted to throw you a good quote in this regard but then I realized it was from an episode you haven't quite got to yet. Well, I'll fall back on "Rose" - about Death being the Doctor's companion - Jackie is always afraid that one day the Doctor won't bring Rose back. There's something else she's afraid of too, but we can both wait till you hear Jackie say it for herself.
Re: more reply about Rose
Date: 2006-07-28 05:13 am (UTC)I was a little worried about Ten-- I expected something a bit more... well, apparently friendly sort of thing... than Nine, but had the same fear that I did with Lymond: that any sort of softness would castrate the character (other than the softness Nine already had-- "all the love in the world", as Television Without Pity put it, and it's a phrase that stuck in my head.) I seem to be entirely wrong and couldn't be more pleased about it.
Uh-huh. They did it before but not so much, not so obviously.
Ten is younger. What a great way of getting the concept across. All important character points should from now on be expressed through Rose and the Doctor grabbing hands and looking at each other in that slightly ridiculous fashion. I could watch that all day.
You think not? My contention is that they don't have to, even at this point, because they both know...
Well, yes. But, again, like Francis and Philippa, it's better when they don't really need to say it because they already know, and I would be vaguely disappointed if they fell into one another's arms as easy as lying and declared their eternal devotion. Love and trust built on friendship and kindred spirit, but no less important and powerful for that, the kind that isn't and doesn't need to be metnioned, kthnxbai. (Although those moments with Francis and Philippa are pretty godsdamn rare: thank you Dorothy Dunnett, I would like my sanity back now please.) The Regeneration was obviously good for them both, though, I agree. And I know Time Lords can't control the rebirthing process, not really, but he has an accent much more similar to her own, and I can't help but think there are a few other things that might have been changed to accomodate her as well. (The sudden appearance on the doorstep for dinner... is he a new man who has fewer objections to such rituals, or is that just his excuse for changing old habits for her sake? Either way it's probably Significant.)
Oh! Yes! C! Well. Rose was God for a while there, and you don't get over a friend of yours being God very quickly, even if she (She?) doesn't remember all of it. What's more, Rose was able to do what the Doctor did (exterminate! She's committed genocide, now, too)-- but what he did out of desperation, and anger, and fear, and rage, she did out of compassion, and love, and a Sense of Perspective ("All things must come to dust."), and even mercy (when one considers the state of the Daleks.) Not to mention she had the guts and the resources and the determination to get back to him when he'd sent her home in the first place. I think he's a tiny bit in awe of her now. She's taught him a lesson in humility, and that more than anything would have broken down barriers; graceful but powerful movement from "responsibility" to Companion.
(Well, Jackie's only human, and, um, who wouldn't?)
I have my suspicions about that Mickey character. He's only hanging around to look at teh pretteh, I'm tellin' you. At least Cap'n Jack was honest. :P
Re: more reply about Rose
Date: 2006-07-28 11:22 am (UTC)I think not. He has the same unpredictable strengths.
"all the love in the world", as Television Without Pity put it, and it's a phrase that stuck in my head.
Wonderful phrase, and true, but it doesn't lead to predictability or softness.
All important character points should from now on be expressed through Rose and the Doctor grabbing hands and looking at each other in that slightly ridiculous fashion.
And some amazing hugs... lots of that sort of thing in store.
But, again, like Francis and Philippa, it's better when they don't really need to say it
Well, don't expect any of the romantic cliches you'd get in another show.
I would be vaguely disappointed if they fell into one another's arms as easy as lying and declared their eternal devotion.
That brings a certain moment to mind... but you need have no fear that we're going to get any simple resolutions.
Rose was able to do what the Doctor did (exterminate! She's committed genocide, now, too)-- but what he did out of desperation, and anger, and fear, and rage, she did out of compassion, and love, and a Sense of Perspective ("All things must come to dust."), and even mercy
Which is why, I think, she can cope with it sanely and even remember at leats some of it, without being tramatized.
I think he's a tiny bit in awe of her now.
He always was impressed by her, but now it's on a quite different level. The human/alien imbalance is more equalized. He's still the one with the Tardis and the good tricks, but she's no sidekick now.
I have my suspicions about that Mickey character.
Heh.
He's only hanging around to look at teh pretteh, I'm tellin' you.
Any way he can.
At least Cap'n Jack was honest. :P
Mickey has his own lessons to learn, choices to make. I loved it that he came throug in Christmas Invasion.... he still has a role or two to play.
HUG
Date: 2006-07-26 09:06 pm (UTC)Re: HUG
Date: 2006-07-27 01:10 am (UTC)