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fajrdrakoSo far there isn't an episode of Lost that I haven't enjoyed, but it isn't following my normal patterns of watching TV shows. Usually I latch onto a single favourite character (like Lex Luthor or Fox Mulder or Methos) or pairing but that hasn't happened. I like most of the characters, dislike a few, find them all interesting and oddly convincing even in their weirdnesses.
I'll put my comments on tonight's episode under a tag
(1) I worry about Charlie. Will he be okay? Will Claire? It really looks as if Claire's baby is the target, but of what? Why was Charlie hung in the tree? Why blindfolded? Sacrifice to a god? Food for a bird or animal? Bait for the monster? It reminded me a little of Sayid hanging upside down in a tree in "Solitary" but the pose (if you can call it that) was different. Charlie saying he didn't remember, didn't see anything, but talking about 'them' - it reminded me of the
other people (Locke, Jack, Charlie himself) who said before that they hadn't seen the monster.
(2) I keep wishing Michael would treat Walt better. Even Sawyer is being nicer to Walt than Michael is. The backgammon game with Hurley was cute. Is there special significance to Walt's "luck" with the dice? Is he telekinetic? (This scene made me think of Franklin Richards.)
(3) Sawyer. I loved his interplay with everyone. Totally. Especially his scene with Sayid. Karma - heh.
(4) My happy theory that Jack was only pretending to be a real doctor was utterly destroyed. Okay, one theory down, dozens to go. He is a doctor. A real honest to goodness doctor, who does surgery and all. Except his survival rate from what we've seen doesn't seem terribly high - we've seen him do two surgeries and lost two patients. Okay, maybe the one tonight only counts as half a surgery. And I don't mean to pick on Jack. I like Jack. He's become very... intense. Is he a cowboy? He does seem to be the one with daddy issues in this episode, though I suspect others do too.
(4) We were wondering why Jack changed his mind and told the truth about his father when he heard that the dead woman was pregnant. Does pregnancy have some special connotation for him? Did his girlfriend die while pregnant or something? Or was it just the sadness and waste factor, that two lives were lost to his father's drunkenness?
(5) I found Jack's father more interesting and more convincing in this episode. Of course in the earlier one, he was dead, which is a handicap
to personality. Does anyone else here watch "Smallville"? Jack's father had some lines that might have come straight out of the mouth of the evil Lionel Luthor.
(6) I like the way Kate can keep up with Jack physically. Looks as if she isn't Canadian after all, if her father is/was military and in Washington State. Did something weird or awful happen to him, or her, on their camping trip? I thought her attitude to it seemed strange, but maybe it was because she was worrying about Jack. Considering that she offered to tell him 'the truth' before and he stopped her, I thought he was hard on her about not telling the truth this time. (Not that I have any expectation that human beings should be consistent, even in fiction.)
(7) I liked Locke more this time, and trusted him more, though I was suspicious of some of his more fey comments. What have he and Boone found?
(8) I liked seeing Shannon worry about Boone. Normally you'd think she didn't like him.
(9) We got a sort-of-partial glimpse of Vincent. Good.
(10) Sayid was looking particularly good, I thought, being nervous but courageous with Sawyer.
(11) Everyone looks good wet. I'm just saying.
(12) What, no appearance of the monster this time? I guess Ethan is monster enough.
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Date: 2004-12-09 05:27 am (UTC)other people (Locke, Jack, Charlie himself) who said before that they hadn't seen the monster.
I think that they blindfolded Charlie right from the start so that he wouldn't know where they were going. And I do think it's *they* because unless he was armed, could Ethan really drag *two* people around and keep ahead of the guys without pregnant woman running to catch them? I think they took him as well as Claire to keep her tractable and to be able to threaten their persuers (Jack et al) with his death. I think they left him for dead, hanging in that tree.
(2) I keep wishing Michael would treat Walt better. Even Sawyer is being nicer to Walt than Michael is. The backgammon game with Hurley was cute. Is there special significance to Walt's "luck" with the dice? Is he telekinetic? (This scene made me think of Franklin Richards.)
Yeah, there's something weird there. Maybe its just that Michael hasn't been a father before and he just doesn't know *how* to be one and so he's going to far into the 'must be father and not his friend' thing.
And when are we going to get Hurley's story? We've now had at least something from each of the main characters except Hurley, Shannon and Boone, although tonight we at least got a glimpse of what Boone does and can intuit that he and Shannon are indeed from money.
(3) Sawyer. I loved his interplay with everyone. Totally. Especially his scene with Sayid. Karma - heh.
I adore Sawyer. I think he's been my favourite character almost from the beginning. I like the dark shade of grey that he is.
I do have to give the show kudos though, there have not been any all black or all white characters on this show. Which makes the characters all that much more interesting and the show, too.
(4) My happy theory that Jack was only pretending to be a real was utterly destroyed. Okay, one theory down, dozens to go. He is a doctor. A real honest to goodness doctor, who does surgery and all. Except his survival rate from what we've seen doesn't seem terribly high - we've seen him do two surgeries and lost two patients. Okay, maybe the one tonight only counts as half a surgery. And I don't mean to pick on Jack. I like Jack. He's become very... intense. Is he a cowboy? He does seem to be the one with daddy issues in this episode, though I suspect others do too.
Oh, now that was an interesting theory, though as you say, now destroyed. I don't think his memories are indicative of his survival rate. I think that he's got a hero complex and that the deaths he's "responsible" for weigh very heavily on him.
(4) We were wondering why Jack changed his mind and told the truth about his father when he heard that the dead woman was pregnant. Does pregnancy have some special connotation for him? Did his girlfriend die while pregnant or something? Or was it just the sadness and waste factor, that two lives were lost to his father's drunkenness?
I think he was already regretting it *and* feeling like he'd been totally manipulated by his father. Plus, his father had hidden the pregnancy from him. And I'm just reading this into it, but I think he felt his father hadn't even known about it and was just spouting crap to save his own skin and he just couldn't do it anymore, couldn't keep on with everyone thinking his father was just the cats meow and this an unfortunate accident.
(5) I found Jack's father more interesting and more convincing in this episode. Of course in the earlier one, he was dead, which is a handicap
to personality.
*cackles*
Will post rest in a second comment as this one got too long.
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Date: 2004-12-09 01:20 pm (UTC)And because, if he was left as a 'warning' to the others, it's scarier that way. Did they think he might survive? Perhaps so - otherwise, why not kill him outright instead of leaving him to hang?
And I do think it's *they* because unless he was armed, could Ethan really drag *two* people around and keep ahead of the guys without pregnant woman running to catch them?
We have plenty of evidence of a plural number of Others - including what you say, including what Charlie said, including Danielle's comments about the "Others".
Maybe its just that Michael hasn't been a father before
I thought that at first; but his attitude seems to be getting worse, if anything - he's so inconsiderate of Walt. I suppose some fathers are like that, but it doesn't make me like Michael much.
Sawyer: I like the dark shade of grey that he is.
What a great description of him! Yes, absolutely. He's got charm but with a very sharp edge.
there have not been any all black or all white characters on this show
I pretty much agree, except that I see no dark side of Claire or Hurley. Not that one or both may not turn out to be more than they have appeared so far - but I see no hints of them being anything but white so far.
Yes, I want to know more about Hurley. My current theory is that he is/was an undercover cop.
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Date: 2004-12-09 03:49 pm (UTC)I don't know and there's so many possibilities. Part of what keeps us coming back to the show, I'm sure.
I thought that at first; but his attitude seems to be getting worse, if anything - he's so inconsiderate of Walt. I suppose some fathers are like that, but it doesn't make me like Michael much.
Yeah, I have to agree.
I pretty much agree, except that I see no dark side of Claire or Hurley. Not that one or both may not turn out to be more than they have appeared so far - but I see no hints of them being anything but white so far.
I don't know -- because we haven't seen anything about Hurley's past, it's starting to creep me a little, makes me wonder *why not* you know?
Yes, I want to know more about Hurley. My current theory is that he is/was an undercover cop.
Oh yeah? Why is that?
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Date: 2004-12-09 07:20 pm (UTC)Yes - and not only that he hasn't had a story with his past, we've started to get repeats of characters' background (Jack has had two episodes with flashbacks now) and we have nothing on Hurley, and we have no Hurley-background episode advertised in the list of upcoming episodes either. The exclusion looks strange.
As to why I think he's a cop; he's organized, he thinks clearly, he hides many of his thoughts but appears open and friendly. I liked the way he handled Sawyer in "Cowboy" and thought it maybe showed a certain experience in dealing with dangerous people. It was Hurley who wanted to interview people and get a cohesive list of suspects after the attack on Claire - to know who people were. He was trying not to make it look like interrogation, but it was. He even made reference to police procedure. This all ads up to something I see as hints that he might be, or have been, a cop himself.
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Date: 2004-12-09 05:27 am (UTC)I think he's regretting that decision every time he does learn something new about her. Much as he tried to be noble and say it didn't matter, they were all starting over, that's one thing that the show has made clear -- these people are *not* starting over, they've all brought their baggage with them.
(7) I liked Locke more this time, and trusted him more, though I was suspicious of some of his more fey comments. What have he and Boone found?
Oh, I adore Locke. I think he's loonier than a one dollar coin, but I like him a lot. And I don't know if we can trust him. I don't think he'd deliberately hurt anyone, but at the same time, he *likes* the island (and who can blame him considering once he was on it he could walk?). He's my number one suspect for who hit Sayid so that he couldn't get the triangulation. Oh, I've got more suspects now what with notEthan and 'they' wandering around, but he was awful quick to point out that Sawyer could have put his rocket on a timer and followed Sayid and knocked him out. He doesn't want to leave the island. He's alive here, living out his great white hunter fantasies. Here he's important, his life has meaning, he can walk.
(8) I liked seeing Shannon worry about Boone. Normally you'd think she didn't like him.
Ah, but is she worrying about him for his sake or her own? If she looses him, she looses her muscle, the guy who looks out for both of them, etc. I wouldn't paint her with just the selfish brush though, as I mentioned with the good/evil thing -- these characters just aren't black and white.
(9) We got a sort-of-partial glimpse of Vincent. Good.
Vincent? You've lost me... was that the dog's name?
(10) Sayid was looking particularly good, I thought, being nervous but courageous with Sawyer.
/me nodnods -- he's one hot fellow. Yummy. If I were writing for the show, I'd definitely be doing Sayid/Sawyer.
(11) Everyone looks good wet. I'm just saying.
Oh, yes.
(12) What, no appearance of the monster this time? I guess Ethan is monster enough.
Indeed!
This is one of the few we really have to see it shows that Andrew and I have. Oh, there's other tv I watch, but if I miss it, eh. This one I don't want to miss.
Oh, and good for a chuckle -- Fox is apparently doing their own version of this kind of show -- where a space shuttle of some sort crash lands on the moon. The dark side of the moon. Of course the only problem with that is that there is no "dark side" of the moon that is dark for more than a couple of weeks, due to, oh you know, rotation. One wonders if someone on their team is going to point this out *before* they get it into production and out there to be laughed at by geeks everywhere.
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Date: 2004-12-09 01:29 pm (UTC)Which is, in a way, the whole point - the way their pasts are still with them on the island, which has been the theme of each episode; and the way that past has shaped them. Moreover, none of them sees this island as their future, they are still expecting rescue any day now. Or if they don't... they haven't admitted this out loud yet.
I don't feel I know Shannon well enough to judge her but my current impulse is to be sympathetic -but I have trouble being sympathetic to Boone, whom I don't like.
Yes, Vincent is the dog. He doesnt' seem to be the kind of dog who barks at intruders, though.
Sayid and Sawyer are, for me, the sexy ones on the show. And Kate. I'd like to find Jack sexy too, but so far... no. Not that I don't like him. But as far as I'm concerned, the screen lights up when Sawyer's around.
I don't want to miss Lost either. It's way too intriguing.
As for the Fox show - hmm, seems they should think about their premise a little more! It's the old TV maxim: don't try to create good shows, try to put out shows that copy someone else's good shows. They don't see that what makes a show *good* is its originality and the quality of thought and talent that goes into it. Fox has had a number of good shows, even great shows (e.g., Firefly) that they haven't had the sense to keep on the air. I can't feel much sympathy for them. Idiots.
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Date: 2004-12-09 04:37 pm (UTC)Ah... I kind of feel sorry for him because she's such a wench sometimes it seems.
Sayid and Sawyer are, for me, the sexy ones on the show. And Kate. I'd like to find Jack sexy too, but so far... no. Not that I don't like him. But as far as I'm concerned, the screen lights up when Sawyer's around.
Yes, I agree with you.
And I also agree on the Fox=idiots thing. :P
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Date: 2004-12-09 07:11 pm (UTC)It's sort of sadly self-evident, isn't it? They make no attempt to hide it!
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Date: 2004-12-09 03:37 pm (UTC)Same here. I'm drawn to Boone purely because I like Ian, but within the show I'm pretty much glued to everything that's happening, whatever/whoever it is. I couldn't find a 'ship to latch onto if I tried.
Of course in the earlier one, he was dead, which is a handicap
to personality.
Hee! And yeah, some of the daddy lines were completely Lionelesque.
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Date: 2004-12-09 07:14 pm (UTC)Yes, exactly. It's all extremely interesting and intriguing, even if it's about characters I don't trust - that's usually a temporary state.
Jack's father being an echo of Lionel makes Jack in some way an echo of Lex, which is a good thing - a very good thing! Yet Jack doesn't have the draw that Lex does; doesn't have the charisma or sex appeal or something. Which Sawyer does have. As for relationships - at this point I think I could happily see anyone paired with anyone. There's a nice freedom to it. And I get such a kick out of Sawyer's interactions with everyone.