I suppose I can too - as I am probably proving. And what fun it is!
To finally go through with it... the shame, the guilt, the self-justification, the determination, the awkwardness, and no doubt a treacherous pleasure.
Sure. If it had been simply a torment, a self-sacrifice, Ianto could have tolerated that - anything for Lisa's sake. But to actually like it, to be truly attracted to Jack, to actually like him - it must have set up any number of levels of pain and guilt.
Did Jack feel something for him, or was he just psyched to get a sweet piece of virgin tail?
I think there are three answers for that. One is that Jack doesn't necessarily differentiate - liking people comes easily to him, loving people comes easily to him, and sex is his favourite thing, casual or otherwise. So to him, especially the first time, there's a lot of caring in the mix.
The second answer: He really liked Ianto.
The third answer: Jack himself had been through a hard time. He'd had lover(s) and friends at Torchwood who had been murdered by a friend. It was a new century and the Doctor still hadn't come for him. He was trying to cope and I think he was really, really vulnerable at that point - he needed someone like Ianto, to understand and love him - as well as offering lots of sex. And I think this is why he didn't look to closely at what Ianto was offering. He wasn't suspicious because he was needy himself. Jack had been trying to hold himself aloof and he's really, really bad at that - he needs companionship, he needs sex, he needs someone to share fun with.
As well as the source of his anguish, whatever that is.
...Intriguing.
I would love to read the explicitly Christian dialogue that was cut from Ianto's scenes over the course of S2.
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Re: Gabbling about Ianto...
Date: 2009-04-16 03:22 am (UTC)I suppose I can too - as I am probably proving. And what fun it is!
To finally go through with it... the shame, the guilt, the self-justification, the determination, the awkwardness, and no doubt a treacherous pleasure.
Sure. If it had been simply a torment, a self-sacrifice, Ianto could have tolerated that - anything for Lisa's sake. But to actually like it, to be truly attracted to Jack, to actually like him - it must have set up any number of levels of pain and guilt.
Did Jack feel something for him, or was he just psyched to get a sweet piece of virgin tail?
I think there are three answers for that. One is that Jack doesn't necessarily differentiate - liking people comes easily to him, loving people comes easily to him, and sex is his favourite thing, casual or otherwise. So to him, especially the first time, there's a lot of caring in the mix.
The second answer: He really liked Ianto.
The third answer: Jack himself had been through a hard time. He'd had lover(s) and friends at Torchwood who had been murdered by a friend. It was a new century and the Doctor still hadn't come for him. He was trying to cope and I think he was really, really vulnerable at that point - he needed someone like Ianto, to understand and love him - as well as offering lots of sex. And I think this is why he didn't look to closely at what Ianto was offering. He wasn't suspicious because he was needy himself. Jack had been trying to hold himself aloof and he's really, really bad at that - he needs companionship, he needs sex, he needs someone to share fun with.
As well as the source of his anguish, whatever that is.
...Intriguing.
I would love to read the explicitly Christian dialogue that was cut from Ianto's scenes over the course of S2.
I didn't know about that. I wonder what it was?