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Some of this relates to questions raised in the storyline, but not answered in the show... yet. Sometimes it's a situation glossed over, that I'm curious about. Sometimes it's unexplained motivation. Sometimes it's just something perplexing that I like to think about. I'm not dealing with questions that I think are just writing screw-ups, of which there are a number as well; or speculation on what's going to happen. These are the ones I like to think about.

Best of all, sometimes the questions are fanfic fodder. Things to consider and explore.

In no particular order:

  1. Jack's amnesia
    Who stole two years of Jack's memories, and why? He thinks it's the Time Agency, and he must have good reasons - but again, why? My theory is that he undercovered wrongdoing by someone in charge, and they were trying to cover up.

    Until they return to that plot point, we won't know. I live in the hope that we'll get a nice juicy Time Agency story out of it, preferably in Doctor Who.

  2. Gray in a drawer
    Jack froze his crazy brother and put him in a Torchwood drawer, because he couldn't bear to kill him. Will he find a way to fix or restore Gray's personality, without the homicidal tendencies? Will Gray have further use in the plot?

    I would like to think there's more to the Gray story than we saw. Yes, the Gray story was a mess, but not irretrievably. Gray was behind Captian John; perhaps someone else is behind Gray. The powerful enemy of Jack from the Time Agency, who stole Jack's memories and - perhaps - brought about the Time Agency's demise, which we heard about in "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang"? Or perhaps the Master, who likes to play life and death games with Jack's head? Could Gray be secretly Sleeper-material, the Skrull impostors of Jack's universe? Mind-controlled, like the Sontaran clone of Martha in "The Sontaran Stratagem"? Mind-wiped, like the characters in "Adam"?

    Jack himself spent a century in one of those drawers. I wonder who else might be in there, still alive and waiting to be revived.

  3. Who are the Sleepers?
    Their story was left hanging: they had agents planted in Cardiff. Are there more waiting to be awakened? Are there more of them elsewhere?

  4. Who framed Toshiko?
    In "Fragments", we saw that Tosh's mother was kidnapped in order to force her to steal government weapons-technology secrets for the enemy. UNIT took an interest, which implies alien involvement. Who were the villains? Presumably they targeted Toshiko because of her job; her genius turned out to be a bonus for them, and, later, for Jack. How did Jack find her? What did he know of the people behind the plot? Will sonic weaponry (or technology) be revisited? We know it's an interest of Jack's. After all, it's so... sonic.

  5. In "Adrift", why didn't Jack want Gwen to know about Flat Holm facility?
    Most fans seem to think this a non-question, since Jack is stingy about revealing his secrets, and it seems that only Ianto knew about it anyway, and no good would come of Gwen's knowledge. Still, I find the motivation a little more complex and interesting than the episode explores. Why did Ianto feel so sure that Gwens should know that he defied Jack and Jack's explicit orders to tell her? Why did Jack so easily forgive Ianto for doing this?

    And more to the point, what other secrets is Jack keeping from his team?

  6. Jack's wristband
    We know that Jack's wristband was functional up until the end of "The Parting of the Ways", at which time it had the following capabilities:
    • communications device
    • hologram projection
    • recording device
    • information storage, as an encyclopedia
    • transporter/transmat beam functioning through both space and time

    Not bad, for a device so small.

    We know that it burned out when Jack tried to teleport from the Game Station in the distant future to Cardiff c. 2008, and then, after being repaired at the end of the universe, was sabotaged by the Doctor in "The Last of the Time Lords" so Jack couldn't use it to teleport or travel in time. It worked as a communications device and hologram in "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang", and was fixed again (by Jack, with help from Martha) in "The Stolen Earth" and sabotaged by the Doctor again in "Journey's End".

    Since the Doctor has trapped Jack more or less when and where he wants to be anyway, is Jack able to repair the wristband? has he already done so? is he unable to fix it? or simply content to let the Doctor call the shots?

    Since Jack has the capability of fixing and using transmat beams (cf. "Greeks Bearing Gifts") I think it quite likely that he could use it if he really needed to. But I can't prove it.
  7. What's going on at Torchwood Two?
    Is Torchwood Two really only manned by one person named Archie? And what kind of person would Jack call "very strange"? Is that a tease - ? What work does Torchwood 2 do - as far as we know, there's no Rift in Scotland to monitor.

    I'd definitely like to meet Archie. I wonder about the relationship between Jack and Archie, and between Torchwood Two and the other branches. Yes, I know Torchwood One is gone now, but what was the relationship between Two and One when One still existed?

    I am unclear about the relationship (if any) between Torchwood Two and Torchwood House.
  8. What happened to Torchwood Four?
    Will we ever know? Did it fall through the Rift? Is it displaced in time? Who was there when it disappeared? What was its purpose, when it existed?

  9. Who was Jack's wife?
    Who did Jack marry, and when, and why? Not Estelle: the picture in "Something Borrowed" is too old. Will we ever learn that story?

  10. Who was Jack working for or with in the 1920s?
    Jack worked in a carnival in the 1920s, presumably doing undercover work - rather than just hanging out with beautiful sexy acrobats. He implies he wasn't working for Torchwood. Who, then? Was UNIT around then?

  11. Who and what is Bilis?
    How did he get his time-travelling capabilities? What is his agenda, besides messing with Jack's head? Will he come back?

  12. Where did Captain John Hart go? And what is he doing?
    At the end of "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang", John went through the rift, or appeared to do so. But after he came back in "Exit Wounds", and Jack refused to let him stay at Torchwood, where did he go? Not far, I hope. I miss him.

Cross-posted to torch_wood and my lj.

Date: 2009-02-19 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beathen.livejournal.com
Excellent questions! These are partly the reason I like to read fanfic - it gives a possible answer to these questions.

Date: 2009-02-19 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
One of the things I really love about Torchwood (let me count the ways!) is the richness of the background. There is so much room for speculation and reconsideration. There are so many nooks and crannies for plots to fit into, not to mention the whole Rift at our disposal.

Date: 2009-02-19 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beathen.livejournal.com
The Rift really is a carte blanche for any possible storyline, not to mention having Doctor Who as the parent show where any time or universe is available to travel to. (It reminds me of the Harry Potter fandom - because of the characters' ability to use magic anything was possible.)

Date: 2009-02-19 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aeron-lanart.livejournal.com
What happened to Torchwood Four?

Fanfic fodder! But it would be good to know.

I first answered this with a passing comment in one fic The Day After Never (http://aeron-lanart.livejournal.com/71794.html))

"Torchwood 4’s been missing, I know. There was an accident with a perception filter, a giant slug and some explosives...".

That story was then requested as a timestamp fic which you can read here (http://aeron-lanart.livejournal.com/90558.html) if you want to know what I did with them...

A pretty darned good bunch of questions all in all, and I wonder if any of them will get answered onscreen (I want more on the Bilis one than we got in The Twilight Streets novel).

Date: 2009-02-20 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Hooray! Thanks for the links.

Date: 2009-02-19 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sistercarrion.livejournal.com
12. He says he's going to travel earth for a bit, but I guess the liklyhood of him turning up again is down to JM's schedule

Date: 2009-02-19 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I live in hope. Just imagine the adventures he could be having.

Date: 2009-02-19 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ceindreadh.livejournal.com
Excellent questions!
I would argue with the phrasing of #4 Who framed Toshiko? in that I don't consider that Toshiko was framed. She was blackmailed and manipulated, but at every step of the way, she had the choice to give in to the blackmailers or stand up to them.

Where did Captain John Hart go? And what is he doing? I think that that would depend on whether he was able to get his wriststrap powered up or not. Gray left him with enough juice for one trip, but clearly didn't disable it completely - John was able to fix it enough to recall the Weevils. Which brings up another question as to whether John would be tech savvy enough to fix Jack's wristband - or whether he'd bother even if he could.

In "Adrift", why didn't Jack want Gwen to know about Flat Holm facility? Because he knew she'd react the way she did and want to reunite all the people with their families. And while that's a valid POV, it just wouldn't be feasible given the circumstances of the Rift returnees. Maybe he just didn't want her optomism dented by her failure to make everything turn out right, because sometimes things cannot be fixed.

Date: 2009-02-20 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Who framed Toshiko? in that I don't consider that Toshiko was framed. She was blackmailed and manipulated

Yes. I had trouble with that verb. I'm not sure what happened to Toshiko. The 'framing' I was thinking of was not by the villains who kidnapped her mother, but by UNIT, who locked her up and threw away the key, regardless of mitigating circumstances. She did have the choice of standing up to the kidnappers, but only at the cost of her mother's life.

Gray left him with enough juice for one trip, but clearly didn't disable it completely - John was able to fix it enough to recall the Weevils.

Perhaps John doesn't mind be stranded alone on the same planet as Jack.

Which brings up another question as to whether John would be tech savvy enough to fix Jack's wristband - or whether he'd bother even if he could.

I think it would depend on ... circumstances. Would Jack pay the cost John would want?

Because he knew she'd react the way she did and want to reunite all the people with their families.

I'm not sure why this answer doesn't satisfy me, but it doesn't. It maybe Jack's reasoning, but usually he gives Gwen more facts to form judgements with. She is headstrong, but not unreasonable. I'm wondering if it might not be that the doesn't want to be caught in a purely philanthropic act. Or, as you say, maybe he didn't want her to be depressed by the consequences - though I find that hard to believe, too; she's tough enough to face violence and weevils, and smart enough to know that everything doesn't always turn out right.

I think it's that in my mind this answer boils down to "Jack is treating Gwen like a child" and he doesn't usually do that, do I am left wondering, "why is this a special case?" The answer I keep coming up with is that it's his sensitivity to the issue, not hers, that's an issue.

And, knowing that, Ianto would want to force him to deal with it.




Date: 2009-02-20 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ceindreadh.livejournal.com
Yes. I had trouble with that verb. I'm not sure what happened to Toshiko. The 'framing' I was thinking of was not by the villains who kidnapped her mother, but by UNIT, who locked her up and threw away the key, regardless of mitigating circumstances. She did have the choice of standing up to the kidnappers, but only at the cost of her mother's life.
While I agree that what UNIT did was waaaay over the top, the fact still remains that Tosh put a working weapon in the hands of terrorists, and it was only because UNIT already had their eye on them/her that nobody died as a result of Tosh's actions. And if anybody had been killed by the weapon, Tosh would have been in part responsible. I mean, she fixed the damn thing for them. If she'd even just followed the specs to the letter and made a faulty device that would have been different.
I suppose UNIT really just gave her enough rope to hang herself.

Back to Gwen and Flat Holm.
Reuniting the Rift returnees with their families, is a job for an organization with more resources than Torchwood has. Every hour that Gwen spent on her little project is one hour less to spend on catching the dangerous aliens/tech that come through the Rift. Perhaps Jack felt that getting Gwen involved in Flat Holm would distract her focus from the main raison-d'etre of Torchwood.
Heh, I suppose the main answer is because it made for good TV :-)

Date: 2009-02-20 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I suppose UNIT really just gave her enough rope to hang herself.

So it seems. Tosh didn't even realize what she'd done, exactly. I wonder if she knew who the people were.

I suppose UNIT really just gave her enough rope to hang herself.

Heh. Yes: there'd have been no story there if Jack had just told her the information she wanted. But that isn't quite enough... If there'd been a relative of Gwen's there, some personal reason she shouldn't know... Hmm.

Date: 2009-02-19 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dewline.livejournal.com
A League of Nations-affiliated predecessor of UNIT, maybe, if we're talking the 1920's. The UN didn't get rolling until WW2, after all, as the semi-official name of the Allies.

Date: 2009-02-19 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I know UNIT was originally supposed to have been associated with the United Nations, but I thought it had been retconned to have no direct connection at all. A League of Nations connection would please me no end.

Or maybe its connection was to U.N.C.L.E. Or SHIELD. I'd like that, too.

Date: 2009-02-19 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dewline.livejournal.com
Not retconned away. Name change for UNIT was insisted upon by UN reps, but they can still refer to the Taskforce as UN-funded. Maybe they can work out an explanation(IE: friendly ETs now officially supporting the Taskforce as well as Earth's UN?)...

Date: 2009-02-20 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
friendly ETs now officially supporting the Taskforce as well as Earth's UN?

Ooh, I like that notion!

Date: 2009-02-20 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dewline.livejournal.com
You're welcome!

I'll leave it as an exercise for those Whovian more knowledgeable about that particular ficton to figure out which star nations specific to it would sign on - quietly, I expect - with the UNIT treaty.

Date: 2009-02-20 01:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Just imagine the political machinations!

Date: 2009-02-19 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-jaks.livejournal.com
Because I am tired and I cannot cope with the big questions I offer the theory that TW2 is manned by several people called Archie - they are all the same person (clones of the original Archie from the 50s (but not the same one as in Who))

Date: 2009-02-20 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
The League of Archies! That idea has a lot of charm. Suddenly I picture them as red-haired, freckled teenagers.

Date: 2009-02-20 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-jaks.livejournal.com
red-haired, freckled teenagers.
They so would be - early twenties at the very most :D

Date: 2009-02-20 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aeron-lanart.livejournal.com
And looking scarily similar to Turlough at times...

Date: 2009-02-20 12:08 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-02-19 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] topgeargirl2.livejournal.com
Maybe Torchwood 2 has the job of looking after Torchwood Manor or House? I don't remember what it was properly called.

With the 1920s I'm thinking The League of Nations.

Date: 2009-02-20 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Maybe Torchwood 2 has the job of looking after Torchwood Manor or House?

Or just using it? I'd like to see that explored.

The League of Nations

Could be...

Part One

Date: 2009-02-19 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelfireeast.livejournal.com
Great discussion:D

1. Jack's amnesia

Who stole two years of Jack's memories, and why? He thinks it's the Time Agency, and he must have good reasons - but again, why? My theory is that he undercovered wrongdoing by someone in charge, and they were trying to cover up.

Until they return to that plot point, we won't know. I live in the hope that we'll get a nice juicy Time Agency story out of it, preferably in Doctor Who.


Agreed I want to see this story in Doctor Who. I prefer Doctor Who!Jack plus the story started there why not end there. Maybe even the Doctor was involved if only seeing what happened to Jack. It might confuse some people if we met a Jack from before series one. Still worth while in my books.

2. Gray in a drawer

Jack froze his crazy brother and put him in a Torchwood drawer, because he couldn't bear to kill him. Will he find a way to fix or restore Gray's personality, without the homicidal tendencies? Will Gray have further use in the plot?


Why not take Grey's memories from him and wake him up? Won't it be the kindest thing? I know Grey was able to remember when she saw the simplar events so Grey would have to be send away to have a normal life. I know it's a copy of the Angel/Conner thing but something like that would be good to see. Grey even getting his memories back but forgiving Jack/being sorry etc. Only to have Grey killed but whatever was controlling him before (goes with the second part of your discussion)

I would like to think there's more to the Gray story than we saw. Yes, the Gray story was a mess, but not irretrievably. Gray was behind Captian John; perhaps someone else is behind Gray. The powerful enemy of Jack from the Time Agency, who stole Jack's memories and - perhaps - brought about the Time Agency's demise, which we heard about in "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang"? Or perhaps the Master, who likes to play life and death games with Jack's head? Could Gray be secretly Sleeper-material, the Skrull impostors of Jack's universe? Mind-controlled, like the Sontaran clone of Martha in "The Sontaran Stratagem"? Mind-wiped, like the characters in "Adam"?

I would like to see that too. The story as is sucks to be frank. If it was flashed out with something like the Master or someone else controling him to hurt Jack I'd like it a lot better.

Jack himself spent a century in one of those drawers. I wonder who else might be in there, still alive and waiting to be revived.

Those drawers hold so many secrets I'd love to see.

3. Who are the Sleepers?

Their story was left hanging: they had agents planted in Cardiff. Are there more waiting to be awakened? Are there more of them elsewhere?


I thought after seeing the episode I thought they would be the big back for the end of the season instead of Grey through John mostly.

5. In "Adrift", why didn't Jack want Gwen to know about Flat Holm facility?

Most fans seem to think this a non-question, since Jack is stingy about revealing his secrets, and it seems that only Ianto knew about it anyway, and no good would come of Gwen's knowledge. Still, I find the motivation a little more complex and interesting than the episode explores. Why did Ianto feel so sure that Gwens should know that he defied Jack and Jack's explicit orders to tell her? Why did Jack so easily forgive Ianto for doing this?

And more to the point, what other secrets is Jack keeping from his team?


I've always just thought the reason he didn't tell her was to protect her from the horror of it. Same goes for Tosh and Owen. Ianto likely only knows because he either had to or found out through old Torchwood. I can only think Ianto didn't get in trouble for going against orders because they are dating. Unless in the end Jack figured letting her find out was better having her a just digging and digging. Thought I still think it was mostly because they are dating.

I think there are more secrets waiting within Torchwood that likely no one But Jack and possibley Ianto know of. Ianto only knows these things from the days of Torchwood One but there might be things so big Ianto was left out of.

Re: Part One

Date: 2009-02-20 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Great discussion:D

Big grin - glad you're enjoying it. I love fannish stuff like this. Poking at the edges of what we know. Fanfic is good for the 'what if' aspects, motivations and speculations, but there's nothing like a good discussion of what we know... or think we know.

I prefer Doctor Who!Jack

As do I. Ironically, he seems more complex and nuanced to me: if the façade is flashier, what's underneath seems deeper. It's not a problem because I don't think the two Jacks are incompatible in any way, it's just different outward manifestations. Sometimes with Torchwood!Jack it's easy to forget that he is, first and foremost, a con man - a reformed one, an honest one, but one with all those skills of projecting an image and using it.

It might confuse some people if we met a Jack from before series one. Still worth while in my books.

I heartily agree. The only example I can think of where we have seen a pre-"Empty Child" Jack was "Adam", and it wasn't entirely successful.

Why not take Grey's memories from him and wake him up? Won't it be the kindest thing?

We don't know the limits of Retcon. It seems to be rather unreliable; Gwen broke through the conditioning without much trouble. Since Gray was deeply scarred, I suspect it wouldn't reach that deeply - he might not remember why he was damaged, but he would still be damaged.

That's just a theory as to why such a simple solution wouldn't work.

I like to think there's an interesting explanation/solution to the Grey problem, though - other than just pretending it never happened. The Doctor's mind-wiping skills seems to have gone rather deeply with Donna... hmm.

The story as is sucks to be frank.

Yup. Big-time suckage. Worse than Abaddon.

Those drawers hold so many secrets I'd love to see.

Absolutely!

Ianto likely only knows because he either had to or found out through old Torchwood.

I was thinking that Ianto probably had to work on the administration in some way. Because of legal ramifications, perhaps - ? Jack is not a legal entity (since he technically doesn't exist), but that usually doesn't stop him. I think this is a sign that he trusts Ianto, and depends on him. At least to that extent.

I still think it was mostly because they are dating.

I think Jack finds it difficult to be angry with Ianto for more than minutes at a time.

Ianto only knows these things from the days of Torchwood One but there might be things so big Ianto was left out of.

I think Ianto is good at learning and keeping secrets. The perfect spy.





Re: Part One

Date: 2009-02-20 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelfireeast.livejournal.com
Big grin - glad you're enjoying it. I love fannish stuff like this. Poking at the edges of what we know. Fanfic is good for the 'what if' aspects, motivations and speculations, but there's nothing like a good discussion of what we know... or think we know.

Agreed, it's dead fun:D I'm not really into Torchwood fanfiction (like SGA fics) I only read the odd one so things like this really are fun for me because I don't have the fanfic outlet.

As do I. Ironically, he seems more complex and nuanced to me: if the façade is flashier, what's underneath seems deeper. It's not a problem because I don't think the two Jacks are incompatible in any way, it's just different outward manifestations. Sometimes with Torchwood!Jack it's easy to forget that he is, first and foremost, a con man - a reformed one, an honest one, but one with all those skills of projecting an image and using it.

Agreed. On DW the character feels fleshier and lighter yet still something deeper underneath.

I heartily agree. The only example I can think of where we have seen a pre-"Empty Child" Jack was "Adam", and it wasn't entirely successful.

Agreed. I think part of that the way it was written but on the whole everyone wants to hear more about Jack's past but watching might not be the way to go.

We don't know the limits of Retcon. It seems to be rather unreliable; Gwen broke through the conditioning without much trouble. Since Gray was deeply scarred, I suspect it wouldn't reach that deeply - he might not remember why he was damaged, but he would still be damaged.

That's just a theory as to why such a simple solution wouldn't work.

I like to think there's an interesting explanation/solution to the Grey problem, though - other than just pretending it never happened. The Doctor's mind-wiping skills seems to have gone rather deeply with Donna... hmm.


That's true it could happen that way. I don't like pretending it never happen and that's what locking him away feels like. I hated the Doctor mind wiping Donna but with this case thus far I can't think of a better way.

I was thinking that Ianto probably had to work on the administration in some way. Because of legal ramifications, perhaps - ? Jack is not a legal entity (since he technically doesn't exist), but that usually doesn't stop him. I think this is a sign that he trusts Ianto, and depends on him. At least to that extent.

That maybe it. I think he does trust and depend on him but I also think Jack likes to keep these things close to himself. He completely trusts Martha but never told her (or UNIT) about he glove. I think it's Jack's nature to behave this way and hand things like this. Also he likes to protect people form the truth at times.

I think Ianto is good at learning and keeping secrets. The perfect spy.

Agreed, it served him well with keeping Lisa in the basement.

Re: Part One

Date: 2009-02-21 01:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
On DW the character feels fleshier and lighter yet still something deeper underneath.

Oddly, we get more of his viewpoint on Doctor Who, because usually a good part of the story is told through the eyes of the companions. Not so much in "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances", but since that, we have the benefit of Jack as a viewpoint on the Doctor and on the action. In Torchwood, we don't often get that at all: usually it's the others viewpoint of him, with his perspective in bits and pieces. The only episode I can think of that has a lot of his viewpoint is "Captain Jack Harkness - that's one of the reasons I love it so much. "Dead Man Walking", for example, had the first few minutes in Jack's point of view and then switched to Owen for the rest - I was disappointed.

In Doctor Who Jack tends to be funnier, flirtier, and braver.

I hated the Doctor mind wiping Donna but with this case thus far I can't think of a better way.

I totally hated it with Donna. With Gray, it would be a good thing.

he likes to protect people form the truth at times.

True, possibly because it's one of the few ways he can protect them.

part two

Date: 2009-02-19 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelfireeast.livejournal.com
6. Jack's wristband

Since the Doctor has trapped Jack more or less when and where he wants to be anyway, is Jack able to repair the wristband? has he already done so? is he unable to fix it? or simply content to let the Doctor call the shots?

Since Jack has the capability of fixing and using transmat beams (cf. "Greeks Bearing Gifts") I think it quite likely that he could use it if he really needed to. But I can't prove it.


I think he should be able to fix it. I think part of Jack is content to let the Doctor rule this. Maybe he even he feels that matters of time travel should be left up to a Timelord. As for transporter I don't see why he doesn't get that fixed.

7. What's going on at Torchwood Two?

Is Torchwood Two really only manned by one person named Archie? And what kind of person would Jack call "very strange"? Is that a tease - ? What work does Torchwood 2 do - as far as we know, there's no Rift in Scotland to monitor.

I'd definitely like to meet Archie. I wonder about the relationship between Jack and Archie, and between Torchwood Two and the other branches. Yes, I know Torchwood One is gone now, but what was the relationship between Two and One when One still existed?

I am unclear about the relationship (if any) between Torchwood Two and Torchwood House.


I would love to see Archie and Torchwood Two. I like to think of Archie as a crazy strange scientist who isn't very good with people. I have no proof about this but Torchwood Two seems like it would be one everyone leaves alone. It's allow to do it's own thing even Torchwood One didn't get involed back in the day. I also like to think Torchwood Two is localed in the Torchwood House when it's not moving in time and space or however it's "lost"

8. What happened to Torchwood Four?

Will we ever know? Did it fall through the Rift? Is it displaced in time? Who was there when it disappeared? What was its purpose, when it existed?


There was a Torchwood Four?! I can't remember hearing about it at all.


9. Who was Jack's wife?

Who did Jack marry, and when, and why? Not Estelle: the picture in "Something Borrowed" is too old. Will we ever learn that story?


I would love to see that sorry but I doubt we will never find out.


10. Who was Jack working for or with in the 1920s?

Jack worked in a carnival in the 1920s, presumably doing undercover work - rather than just hanging out with beautiful sexy acrobats. He implies he wasn't working for Torchwood. Who, then? Was UNIT around then?


I thought he was working for Torchwood but I guess I'm wrong. It could be the police or someone very powerful who knows bad things are happening and knows what Jack can do (died/come back).

Re: part two

Date: 2009-02-20 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I think he should be able to fix it.

I think so. Jack's relationship with the Doctor is complicated and he may well be using this as a proof of faith or obedience or love - accepting it (to a point) simply because the Doctor wants it.

There was a Torchwood Four?! I can't remember hearing about it at all.

Jack mentioned it to Gwen in "Everything Changes". It 'disappeared'. I tend to think of this as a Babylon 5 reference.

It could be the police or someone very powerful who knows bad things are happening and knows what Jack can do (died/come back).

I tend to think Jack's nature was a closely-kept secret - and of cousre he doesn't exactly say it wasn't Torchwood he was working for. Maybe an even-more-covert-than-usual branch of Torchwood?

Re: part two

Date: 2009-02-20 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelfireeast.livejournal.com
I think so. Jack's relationship with the Doctor is complicated and he may well be using this as a proof of faith or obedience or love - accepting it (to a point) simply because the Doctor wants it.

Yeah like a sign of trust and respect kind of thing.

Jack mentioned it to Gwen in "Everything Changes". It 'disappeared'. I tend to think of this as a Babylon 5 reference.

Thanks for the info. LOL about the B5 reference:D

I tend to think Jack's nature was a closely-kept secret - and of cousre he doesn't exactly say it wasn't Torchwood he was working for. Maybe an even-more-covert-than-usual branch of Torchwood?

Agreed, it's not something he tells anymore or widely known. But it only takes one death for someone to find out and blackmail him with. Jack use to try out different deaths I think so depending when he did that people could have found out. The dates have all gone fuzzy in my mind right now.

Re: part two

Date: 2009-02-21 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
like a sign of trust and respect

Exactly.

Jack use to try out different deaths

He would have to. Obviously Torchwood knew he was immortal - those nasty women tried enough experiments on him. But for outsiders - Estelle, for example, didn't know the truth, and he loved her, but never told her. Pretended to be his own son. So he must have had various subterfuges and cover stories. No wonder he travelled a lot.

Date: 2009-02-20 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cionaudha.livejournal.com
You know, I had expected to see a lot more of Bilis. A recurring character, I thought sure. He and Jack could have a fascinating pas de deux.


I thought you might enjoy this observation of Jack and Ianto as sun and moon. From this story (http://tanarian.livejournal.com/79825.html) by [livejournal.com profile] tanarian.

They are both creatures of passion.

Jack is the bright immortal sun that blazes, radiating life or death according to the season in his soul. He is the vivid static of life, arcing and snapping against the brief sparks that pass through his eternal sky. He is the fire that warms, the inferno that consumes. He is Alpha to entropy’s Omega.

Ianto is the moon, best seen reflecting the light cast by others. He is silence and shadow; the steadfast companion. He brings order to chaos and his touch influences lives. He is magical and chimerical, guardian of the dark unknown. His influence is subtle and often unnoticed, but it is also inescapable.

They live, they love and they fight. It seems that the more they love, the harder they fight and all the passion they bring to their bed also threatens to burn them as they battle.

Date: 2009-02-20 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I had expected to see a lot more of Bilis.

As did I, especially when he just... went away. Could return any time.

He and Jack could have a fascinating pas de deux.

I hope they will.

I didn't find his return in Twilight Streets very dramatic, but it holds promise for the future.

Oh, yes, very nice Jack/Ianto description and contrast. I like that. I like them being compared and described that way. Thanks for pointing that out.

Torchwood 2 and Torchwood 3

Date: 2009-02-21 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] satanassa.livejournal.com
All your questions are interesting and some I hadn't really thought about at all!
I am currently writing a fic that explores a little bit the relationship between Archie and Torchwood 3. Hope to post it in a few days.

Re: Torchwood 2 and Torchwood 3

Date: 2009-03-04 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I am currently writing a fic that explores a little bit the relationship between Archie and Torchwood 3.

How wonderful! I look forward to that.

It's all so intriguing.

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