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Torchwood: Skypoint by Phil Ford is another good Torchwood novel. Are they getting better all the time, or am I just imagining that?

The plot: there's a fancy new high-rise apartment building in Cardiff called Skypoint, where people are mysteriously disappearing. A sinister Latvian gangster owns the place and lives in the penthouse. Investigating, the Torchwood team moves in and finds themselves doing battle with the building itself - a mass of booby traps and an alien presence.

If I had any problem with the plot, it was that I guessed the mechanism of the alien perpetrator as soon as we met the little girl and her plaything - but that didn't ruin the fun in the least. It just kept me wondering when the characters would figure it out.

Specific points:
  1. Jack was delightfully heroic. There's a sequence of scenes where he is climbing on the outside of the building with Gwen, that I just loved.

  2. Torchwood does not contain a lot of references as to its internal timeline, but this book had several that had me puzzled - and skeptical. I know fans have worked out timelines, and I've read them with approval - I must go back to compare and consider. This is set somewhere after "Something Borrowed" but before "Exit Wounds" - Gwen and Rhys are married, Owen is in the story as walking dead. Yet Gwen refers to her first meeting with Jack as "little more than a year ago" on page 10. Could it be so recent? Given that Jack was absent several months between "End of Days" and "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang", that doesn't leave a lot of months for all the action of both series 1 and 2. I'd prefer to think of it as more like two years.

  3. There's an interesting paragraph on page 14 about Torchwood pay:
    [Gwen] had never been entirely sure who it was that signed the Torchwood pay cheques - the money just appeared in he bank account on the first of every month - but, whoever they were, the wages bore no comparison to the dangers involved in their earning. As a general rule, if you wanted to make a fortune it seemed you have do come up with another way of ending the world, not saving it.
    I would think it was Jack who arranges their pay - I see no evidence of someone else doing it, though I suppose there could be a Torchwood Foundation keeping the money coming. But if so - surely Jack would be the administrator? I don't believe that Jack is answerable to anyone.1

  4. Jack's smiles, from Toshiko's point of view, page 41:
    Jack gave the guy another smile. Not the high-beam dazzle-and-run smile; this one was lower intensity, the kind that drew you in and suckered you. Jack had a million smiles. One time, somewhere, Jack had been some sort of con man. She guessed that was how he came by the Smiles.
    What I really love about this is that we know Toshiko knows Jack was a con man, because we heard him tell her so in "Captain Jack Harkness". I don't think the others know, and this maintains that continuity.

  5. From Owen's point of view, page 54: "One thing about being dead, you never ran out of breath."

  6. The first hint, as far as I know, that Ianto is university-educated - actually, the whole description of Ianto and how he came to be in Jack's Torchwood is interesting. From page 69:
    Ianto Jones took his coffee black, and seriously.

    When Torchwood One had been destroyed in the Battle of Canary Wharf, Ianto had been one of the few survivors, and he had returned to Wales looking for a job with the Cardiff operation. Jack had never had much time for Torchwood One, he didn't like the way they did things and thought their disastrous handling of the Dalek-Cybermen situation had proved him right. So he was never going to have much interest in Ianto Jones, despite the cut of his suit, never mind how cute he might have been. But Ianto was determined, and he campaigned hard, though to Jack it felt as if he'd got himself a stalker. And Ianto was ready to do anything to get himself a place in the Hub. He was an intelligent man with Honours in English Literature and History - but he'd just make the coffee and run the hoover around if that was what it took to get back into Torchwood.

    ...Ianto Jones, saving the world with a dark roast.
    Not being very conversant with the British educational system, I wonder if an Honours in Engish Literature might mean something at less than a university level of education? Could it? Or is this an indication that Ianto has at least a B.A.?

  7. The bit of the quote I left out above - from Ianto's point of view:
    The philosopher Sir James Mackingtosh had said that the powers of a man's mind were proportionate to the quantity of coffee he drank, and Voltaire had knocked back fifty cups of it a day, so Ianto reckoned there had to be something in it.
    I love the way Ianto's mind works - and this is exactly how I best see and understand Ianto. Knowledgeable, interested in the theory and philosophy behind things, a thinker rather than a man of action, yet wanting to become a man of action.

  8. Captain Jack, commenting on the people who disappeared without a trace, on page 71: "So what happened? They didn't get beamed up by Mr Scott." I love it when fannish characters make fannish references.

  9. Another nice bit of Ianto characterization, this time from Owen's point of view, on page 74:
    Owen... took a mug from the box of kitchen things that Ianto had put together for them. The mugs were stylish, tall and slim with silver rims. Very Ianto.

  10. On page 75 Owen talks about his parents fighting all the time when he was young. Is this the first time I've come across a reference to his father?

  11. The dismal Torchwood record on page 75: "Toshiko... had gone back through the Torchwood records once. No one had ever left the organization for another job, or to start a family, or to go live in a cottage by the sea. Personnel files all closed with the same word: DECEASED." Well, not Jack's. I like to think that there's someone who has retired from Torchwood and lived on, elsewhere - retconned, maybe, but alive and well.

  12. I love Toshiko's courage in this book, even though she does some reasonably stupid things out of temperament - mostly because of her love/anger feelings for Owen. There's a sequence in which her fear of confined spaces is described - fear because of her memories of the UNIT cell; but she does brave things in an enclosed space anyway.

    Actually, her feelings towards Owen make much more sense to me here than they ever did in the aired show, where that relationship was my least favourite thing about series 2. (Yes, really.) Owen and Tosh are both very well characterized.

  13. From page 118: Who is Frankie Howerd?

  14. From page 123, Owen's point of view: "Gwen knew more dirty jokes than the Blues' locker room had ever heard."

  15. There's a nice Jack/Gwen sequence on page 206, where she has been affected by a psychotic drug and almost killed. Recovering:
    'I'm OK,' she said at last.
    Jack continued to hold her tight.
    'I said I'm all right, Jack.'
    'I know,' he said. 'But you know me - any excuse.'
    'I'm a married woman woman now, Captain Harkness,' she said playfully, and escaped his arms.

  16. From page 221-222, Jack's deaths:
    One day, when he'd had time on his hands, Jack had tried to work out how many times he had dies. He actually sat down in his office with a block of paper and a couple of pens and wrote a neat 1 in the margin and alongside it he wrote Dalek....
    He was sure he had already forgotten some of them - unlike his lovers; he remembered all of them (every sex and species) - the one thing he never forgot, however, was how it felt to come back to life.

  17. Jack, standing on the ledge of a high building, page 225:
    [Jack] pushed the Webley back into its holster and slipped the air force greatcoat off and handed it to Gwen.
    'Keep this for me, will you? Batman looks great with that flapping cloak of his, but I don't think he ever gets this close to the edge.'

  18. And while on the ledge, page 232, Jack's point of view:
    Distantly, he heard the sounds of cars in the city below. Night owls heading home, and shift workers making for the plant. He had travelled to a lot of worlds in his time, but that one seemed stranger than most, and so much more than just sixty metres away. A world of mortgage repayments, office jobs, pension plans and family. Not his world, and never would be.
    Reminds me of the Doctor. And like so many of the descriptions of the Torchwood characters in this book, it is how I interpreted the characters in my own head, and the way I want them to be.

  19. There isn't much interaction between Ianto and Jack in this book, though Ianto does get some good scenes on a stuck elevator. (No, not the kind of stuck elevator where he's trapped in the dark alone with Jack and they have to pass the time somehow. Too bad.) More of Jack's scenes are with Gwen, so there's more emphasis on the Jack/Gwen relationship - not a problem in my opinion, but I'd have liked more of Ianto thinking about Jack or vice versa. Even if Ianto were just thinking, "What would Jack do now?" or "I wonder what Jack's doing?"

  20. Good use is made, plotwise, of Owen's undead state.

    This was the last of the Torchwood novels. I finished it and I am suffering withdrawal already. I want more, more, more! When is the next novel coming out? Soon, I hope.

    ~ ~ ~

    1 Except the Doctor, of course. And we know he doesn't fund Torchwood!


Date: 2009-01-26 05:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beccaelizabeth
English education system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_undergraduate_degree_classification

I thought I could answer that from my own experience but it turns out to be different in different places.
On the course I'm doing you can stop doing it at various points and get various certificates. You can only get the (Hons) bit if you do the dissertation and everything right to the end.
English Literature And History
would be the full degree title. Not two BA, one degree with two titles, split evenly between the two subjects. 'with' means an uneven split.
at least that's the rule in the courses I was looking into.

while googling I noticed Cardiff offers the relevant degree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_Howerd
British cultural icon I have only vague knowledge of and think of more as a parent's generation interest. double entendre sort of funny

Torchwood pay - if Jack pays everyone then who pays Jack? Gwen's question makes sense if she's wondering if Torchwood is privately funded, funded by its own works, funded by taxpayers, funded by the Queen. Money just turns up, but where's it from?

a year ago - Rhys in 2-04 Meat reckons Gwen has been working for Torchwood about a year. There's some internal evidence that 13 episodes happen over less than 13 weeks. There's other sources that shove extra months between episodes. Consistency, not a Torchwood thing.

Date: 2009-01-26 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Thanks for the elucidation on the education system. I wonder where Ianto got his degree - ? It would be fun if he went to the University of London, where I got mine. But it could have been Cardiff or anywhere.

Thanks for the Frankie Howerd link. I've heard of some of the things he's been in, but that's about it.

if Jack pays everyone then who pays Jack?

We're had a lot of batting this back and forth over the years. A trust fun from the original Victorian foundation seems most likely. I've always argued that Jack is an independent agent - he is, in fact, far more legitimate than I'd imagined, now we know his story.

Date: 2009-01-26 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] topgeargirl2.livejournal.com
I'm slowly catching up on the Torchwood novels.

Finally finished the first set of novels. Now just to go out out the buy the next set.

I heard the next set is out in may and other set is due in October.

Date: 2009-01-26 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
the next set is out in may and other set is due in October.

Waiting impatiently here - !

Date: 2009-01-26 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gypsylady.livejournal.com
They seem to be, if not subservient to, then at least in some form answerable to UNIT, but I don't think that's where their funding comes from. I've always assumed there is someone in the Queen's staff assigned to review Torchwood's paperwork and authorize their expenses and pay. But there doesn't seem to be any overt oversight so I'm not sure. Or maybe there is but Ianto really IS that good... (And I guess whoever it is must be aware of Jack's immortality, but who at the bank knows about it? It's almost as badly kept a secret as the existence of Torchwood in the first place...LOL!)

Date: 2009-01-26 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
They seem to be, if not subservient to, then at least in some form answerable to UNIT

I've never thought they were answerable to UNIT, but that Jack tries to keep on UNIT's good side because they can provide him with useful cooperation, he knows they support the Doctor, and he enjoys chatting up UNIT soldiers. Besides, UNIT is a large-scale operation: they could cause trouble for Torchwood if they had any reason to. So Jack makes sure they don't have a reason.

I've always assumed there is someone in the Queen's staff assigned to review Torchwood's paperwork and authorize their expenses and pay.

It's possible, but I don't know of anything canonical that supports it. Do you have any evidence?

Or maybe there is but Ianto really IS that good...

I wouldn't doubt it!

I guess whoever it is must be aware of Jack's immortality, but who at the bank knows about it?

My contention is that no one knows, that Jack has no back accounts anywhere with his name attached, and that anything there is, is under the name of Torchwood with someone else - probably Ianto, probably Suzie before that - holding the signatures.


It's almost as badly kept a secret as the existence of Torchwood in the first place...LOL!)

Yes, exactly!



Date: 2009-01-26 08:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-jaks.livejournal.com
had never been entirely sure who it was that signed the Torchwood pay cheques - the money just appeared in he bank account on the first of every month
You know I what I have problems with? No-one is signing her pay cheque - it's an elecronic transfer.


I need an icon that says PEDANT...


(Oh and that as I started reading your intro it sounded like the Seventh Doctor era "Paradise Towers")

Date: 2009-01-26 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
No-one is signing her pay cheque - it's an elecronic transfer.

Yup!

I need an icon that says PEDANT...

Quibble, quibble, quibble... [g]

(Oh and that as I started reading your intro it sounded like the Seventh Doctor era "Paradise Towers")

Is that one of the TV episodes? A Big Finish story? A book?


Date: 2009-01-26 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-jaks.livejournal.com
I am just so *picky* *g*

Paradise Towers (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/paradisetowers/detail.shtml) A television episode, the one with the Caretaker and gangs of youths (for some reason I always want it to have the Kandy Man in as well - but that's The Happiness Patrol (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/happinesspatrol/)

Date: 2009-01-26 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I am just so *picky* *g*

Hee - one of your most charming qualities!

I should maybe look for "Paradise Towers".

Date: 2009-01-26 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-jaks.livejournal.com
I doubt most people will agree with you on but I know it can be useful :D

I'm pretty sure there'll be clips of it on YouTube.

Oh, and hey! Are you going to be able to take your turn on Wordscraper - or do I have to force a win on you? *rubs hands in an evil manner*

Date: 2009-01-26 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I doubt most people will agree with you on but I know it can be useful :D

It's certainly useful when you're betaing for someone! (Speaking as a potential 'someone', hopefully.) I am not picky when it comes to plots - I love rationalizing things that don't add up, and it's only when I can't make them add up that I pay attention.

Are you going to be able to take your turn on Wordscraper - or do I have to force a win on you?

Oh dear! I've just been so busy... ! Yes, I'll go back to it, I will!

Date: 2009-01-26 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-jaks.livejournal.com
I mean no rush :D I'm happy to let it sit there for a bit I know you're back at work and dealing with bus strikes and stuff :D

Date: 2009-01-26 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Bus strike: faugh. Takes time out of my life that I can't afford. Remains annoying. So very annoying.

Date: 2009-01-26 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I just went back to Wordscraper and was reminded of one reason I haven't been playing lately - I can no longer access it from work. (Grump!) Will take a turn tonight, I promise. Yes, really.

Date: 2009-01-26 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-jaks.livejournal.com
Can't access it from work? That's just WRONG! So many people I play blitz with are on their coffe breaks :D

Date: 2009-01-26 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's totally wrong. Tragic, even. But it isn't really something I can go to the IT department and complain about.

And I'm only here for a few more months anyway. Sigh.

Date: 2009-01-26 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-jaks.livejournal.com
I'm only here for a few more months anyway.

Is this something I've missed while I haven't been keeping up very well??
Have you got somewhere else to go? *worries for you*

Date: 2009-01-26 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Is this something I've missed while I haven't been keeping up very well??

Possibly. The theatre is 'restructuring' and we're all losing our jobs sometime over the next five months. Makes the place kind of gloomy at the moment, I tell you.

No, I've nowhere else to go. Not yet. Do you know of any good jobs available?

Date: 2009-01-26 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-jaks.livejournal.com
GAH! that's a long time to have it hanging over your head.


IN theatre? No. Though my cousin used to have connections in New York - not sure if she still does post having children...

Date: 2009-01-26 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Truth to tell, I'm feeling a little disillusioned about working in theatre these days. Anything clerical would be fine and I'd love some sort of editing job. Or - well, I can dream, can't I? - something using my history background.

Polishing my resume, gearing up to knock on doors.

Ah life, life, things just keep happening.

Date: 2009-01-26 09:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rivier.livejournal.com
#3 - if the Torchwood Archives can be relied on for detail (and everything in it is canon-compliant where there is canon), Gwen joined Torchwood about six months after Ianto - and we know from Fragments that the action there takes place 21 months after Ianto joined. Which means in the timeframe between Owen being un-alive and the end of the season, Gwen having known Jack for "just over a year" (12-15 months) would be about right.

#6 - Fragments, again - Jack calls Ianto an "able student but not exceptional" quoting his Torchwood One records. Although 'student' over here can be used for school pupils, it's more typically a reference to university or college education, so Ianto having an average degree (say, a 2.2) in an average B.A. subject (say, English) makes sense to me.

#13 Frankie Howerd is a British comedian, dead now, who was popular mostly in the 1950s and 1960s. His style was a kind of music-hall / innuendo-heavy, slightly camp patter, though from a persona or character (in comedy film roles) who was always lusting heavy-handedly after girls (Howerd himself was gay but at a time when hardly any entertainment figures were publicly out, though there were quite a few overtly camp comedians such as Kenneth Williams, John Inman etc). Typical Howerd catchphrase would be to say something with heavy double entendre, then chastise the audience rather fruitily for daring to be scandalised by him - "Ooh no Missus! Titter ye not!"

I have to admit, I wasn't wowed by Skypoint but I'd really loved the untypical prose / narrative style of Almost Perfect, so this was rather a conventional story overall in comparison. Also needs moar Ianto! (but I think that about most things, really).

Date: 2009-01-26 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Thank you for clarifying the timeframe. I can live with that. I just expected it to be a little longer - but it fits, and I like that.

Thank you for explaining Frankie Howerd!

Skypoint is not my favourite of the books overall, and I agree with you about Almost Perfect, which is such fun - narrative style as well as content. I thought Skypoint had wonderful passages, variable characterization, and a rather mundane plot... not that I minded the latter. No real surprises.

Since I'm not a big Ianto fan, I always want more about Ianto to make him more clear and more real to me. This wasn't the book for that - though what we got was fine, we didn't get enough of it, and it wasn't Ianto who got the personal bits.

Date: 2009-01-26 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com
I'm conflicted about Skypoint. It has a lot of the interesting things that you mention, but it also had a couple of things that made me crazy. I thought Owen and Tosh returned too often to their awkward relationship rather than focus on the business at hand, for one. It distracted me after a while.

But the one that threw me right out of the story was the elevator. The modern elevator in a brand-new, inspected building that had cables and no brakes. That was so unrealistic and so obviously a ploy for more tension that it threw me right out of the story and I never got back in.

Date: 2009-01-26 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
The elevator bothered me too, but I figured the villain had engineered it to torment his enemies - an elevator deliberately designed as a deathtrap.

I agree about Owen and Tosh, though. They never acted like that in the show - thank goodness. On the other hand, I found their huffiness and conflicted feelings more convincing than in the TV show, where I found it just embarrassing. Why the difference? I don't know.

The ending was reasonably lame, but I was still enjoying myself.

Date: 2009-01-26 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com
The ending was reasonably lame, but I was still enjoying myself.

That statement sums up *so much* of Doctor Who for me

Date: 2009-01-26 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
That statement sums up *so much* of Doctor Who for me

Yes - me too!

Date: 2009-01-26 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanchaidh.livejournal.com
I'm of the mind Ianto has his bachelors, but I don't know about having the honours. The whole "didn't apply himself" thing suggests to me that he did well on the classes he enjoyed, did mediocre on the not-so-interesting classes, and either scraped by with a 51 or had to repeat the mandatory/boring ones.

(Not that I'm basing this on anything in RL. No, not at all...)

Date: 2009-01-26 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I hope we get more about Ianto's background sometime. If he had a university eduction it sort of josses a story I've written and mean to post Any Moment Now... haven't really decided whether to make the story fit this continuity or just ignore that detail.

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