Where did this week go? I wasn't even aware of being particularly busy. But apparently, I was!
For Ten to simply abandon Rose for love of another woman in another time is one thing; for him to abandon Rose to her death in a cold and distant future (for any reason) is quite another. Especially since one could well think, at that point in the story, he did the same with Jack on the Game Station - so we have not just a Time Lord who abruptly leaves his loving companions in the lurch, but one who careleslly kills them off as he does so. Ouch!
Yes. It's an awkward transition, and I don't know how much of it was considered by the writers, including RTD and Moffat. The Doctor of yore did move on very quickly from companion to companion. Nine said "always moving on", but there was this little tinge there (again, possibly just Eccleston bringing depth) that he knew he was running. Ten knows, too, I think (reading the radiation room scene in Utopia as I do), but he doesn't regret it nearly as much. It's another indication that Nine/Eccleston was an anomaly, but it's a deviation I must say I like. I still have a very hard time seeing Nine abandoning Jack on the GameStation just because he seemed "wrong" or Rose on the MdP because he didn't think to warn her... It just seems out of character. And yet, to me, it doesn't seem out of character for Ten. I wouldn't even mind that as a character trait if I thought that the show recognized that he was being a jerk when he did it. I just am not confident that they do. Cutting the crucial line from GitF is problematic on several accounts, but if they were trying to draw a difference between the regenerations, that'd be it. Of course, I don't really see Nine getting looped out of his gourd on banana daquiris, either.
I'd love to see "The Girl in the Fireplace" redone with slightly different casting or directing, and that line restored. Just to see what different nuances we could coax from it.
I'd love to see it with CE and someone he could click with. I think then I'd feel the tragedy. Even DT with Sarah Parrish would have been an improvement. Just as I'd really have loved to see CE in School Reunion. I just think he does emotional in a way that feels so natural and yet transparent.
Moreover, if we knew that Rose had an option - that she could have just taken the TARDIS and left - it shows a whole different aspect of her reactions, too.
Yes. I can't believe they cut that line... It's just so crucial. How stupid was that script editing session?!
She could stay and wait, or she could leave, and she chose to stay and wait for the Doctor however long it took. I find that wonderfully romantic and would want to play it up.
Although to paraphrase Spinal Tap, sometimes there's a thin line between romantic and stupid. She could turn into Miss Haversham, and I think that's what Jackie sees, and even what I see happening in S2. That emphasis on his fear and/or wallowing in his loneliness and fear of commitment makes her love seem desperate and masochistic. S2 is weirdly disjunct, I think because the arc got interrupted. If BP was supposed to stay in CyberWorld halfway through, then I think this all works really very well. She realizes she can't trust him, she stays where she's got a father, friends, and a purpose. The problem was that after the Cyber!two-parter, all of a sudden, they're all giggly and grinny and promising forever, etc. It's not a logical progression, emotionally, as far as I can see, so there's not just a break between S1 and S2, but a break halfway through S2. And stepping back, it's a blatant manipulation to make DD seem all the more tragic.
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Re: ruminations on Reinette and Rose
Date: 2007-09-23 01:05 am (UTC)For Ten to simply abandon Rose for love of another woman in another time is one thing; for him to abandon Rose to her death in a cold and distant future (for any reason) is quite another. Especially since one could well think, at that point in the story, he did the same with Jack on the Game Station - so we have not just a Time Lord who abruptly leaves his loving companions in the lurch, but one who careleslly kills them off as he does so. Ouch!
Yes. It's an awkward transition, and I don't know how much of it was considered by the writers, including RTD and Moffat. The Doctor of yore did move on very quickly from companion to companion. Nine said "always moving on", but there was this little tinge there (again, possibly just Eccleston bringing depth) that he knew he was running. Ten knows, too, I think (reading the radiation room scene in Utopia as I do), but he doesn't regret it nearly as much. It's another indication that Nine/Eccleston was an anomaly, but it's a deviation I must say I like. I still have a very hard time seeing Nine abandoning Jack on the GameStation just because he seemed "wrong" or Rose on the MdP because he didn't think to warn her... It just seems out of character. And yet, to me, it doesn't seem out of character for Ten. I wouldn't even mind that as a character trait if I thought that the show recognized that he was being a jerk when he did it. I just am not confident that they do. Cutting the crucial line from GitF is problematic on several accounts, but if they were trying to draw a difference between the regenerations, that'd be it. Of course, I don't really see Nine getting looped out of his gourd on banana daquiris, either.
I'd love to see "The Girl in the Fireplace" redone with slightly different casting or directing, and that line restored. Just to see what different nuances we could coax from it.
I'd love to see it with CE and someone he could click with. I think then I'd feel the tragedy. Even DT with Sarah Parrish would have been an improvement. Just as I'd really have loved to see CE in School Reunion. I just think he does emotional in a way that feels so natural and yet transparent.
Moreover, if we knew that Rose had an option - that she could have just taken the TARDIS and left - it shows a whole different aspect of her reactions, too.
Yes. I can't believe they cut that line... It's just so crucial. How stupid was that script editing session?!
She could stay and wait, or she could leave, and she chose to stay and wait for the Doctor however long it took. I find that wonderfully romantic and would want to play it up.
Although to paraphrase Spinal Tap, sometimes there's a thin line between romantic and stupid. She could turn into Miss Haversham, and I think that's what Jackie sees, and even what I see happening in S2. That emphasis on his fear and/or wallowing in his loneliness and fear of commitment makes her love seem desperate and masochistic. S2 is weirdly disjunct, I think because the arc got interrupted. If BP was supposed to stay in CyberWorld halfway through, then I think this all works really very well. She realizes she can't trust him, she stays where she's got a father, friends, and a purpose. The problem was that after the Cyber!two-parter, all of a sudden, they're all giggly and grinny and promising forever, etc. It's not a logical progression, emotionally, as far as I can see, so there's not just a break between S1 and S2, but a break halfway through S2. And stepping back, it's a blatant manipulation to make DD seem all the more tragic.