"On the other hand, Martha's presence might warrant a mention of the Doctor - we shall see."
I can't help having some expectation about this one. I also wonder what our Torchwood members' reactions will be to the mention of the Doctor. Will it be as interesting as the mention of Rose in 'Utopia'? Come to think of it, the Doctor('the right kind of Doctor') is Torchwood's series3!Rose (the right kind of companion) *g*
"'Unrequited love never has to end.' OMG, RTD, tell me you didn't say that. Did he? What's it from?"
Didn't Vince say it in QAF? Or I remember it wrong?
"His acquaintances become thematic extensions of his own personality. Could it be that Martha expresses his rational side, which is one of the reasons why he can't engulf it or her in love? I like that idea."
I love this idea so much. Now all makes sense. Suddenly I'm not that angry with Ten any more.
And the Master is his irrational side. Jack is this wanderer in him, with both the sense of wonder and the loneliness.
"He probably even feels guilty for loving the Master, which intensifies both the guilt and the love and the irrationality of both."
Very true. And the only emotional thing in the finale that rings true to me, is how desperate the Doctor turns out to be. Thanks to Mr Tennant's performance.
"the Doctor must think that he could have been the one who went mad, and the Master could have been the one who ran."
I heard that in the audio plays and the novels about the Master they play with this theme a lot.
"I couldn't track the sense of this when the Doctor said it about Jack, because I think it is totally untrue of Jack. The thing about Jack isn't that he can't find happiness with anyone, it's that he can find happiness with practically anyone and everyone. "
I found the words very odd when I watched the show, too. Jack is like Lestat; given enough time they can fall in love with everyone. Then it made sense when I realized Ten was really thinking/talking about himself. Well, Ten really isn't the most considerate person around. Like the lonely God that he is, he sees his own image in everything and everyone. Ten can't bear being alone, yet he can only be happy with himself. Thus he tried to be with his dark self, the Master. This 'you can only be happy with yourself' thing is another evidence that he projects all his self-loathe side on Jack.
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Re: Babbling about Jack and the Doctor, part 1
Date: 2007-07-20 11:07 pm (UTC)I can't help having some expectation about this one. I also wonder what our Torchwood members' reactions will be to the mention of the Doctor. Will it be as interesting as the mention of Rose in 'Utopia'? Come to think of it, the Doctor('the right kind of Doctor') is Torchwood's series3!Rose (the right kind of companion) *g*
"'Unrequited love never has to end.' OMG, RTD, tell me you didn't say that.
Did he? What's it from?"
Didn't Vince say it in QAF? Or I remember it wrong?
"His acquaintances become thematic extensions of his own personality. Could it be that Martha expresses his rational side, which is one of the reasons why he can't engulf it or her in love? I like that idea."
I love this idea so much. Now all makes sense. Suddenly I'm not that angry with Ten any more.
And the Master is his irrational side. Jack is this wanderer in him, with both the sense of wonder and the loneliness.
"He probably even feels guilty for loving the Master, which intensifies both the guilt and the love and the irrationality of both."
Very true. And the only emotional thing in the finale that rings true to me, is how desperate the Doctor turns out to be. Thanks to Mr Tennant's performance.
"the Doctor must think that he could have been the one who went mad, and the Master could have been the one who ran."
I heard that in the audio plays and the novels about the Master they play with this theme a lot.
"I couldn't track the sense of this when the Doctor said it about Jack, because I think it is totally untrue of Jack. The thing about Jack isn't that he can't find happiness with anyone, it's that he can find happiness with practically anyone and everyone. "
I found the words very odd when I watched the show, too. Jack is like Lestat; given enough time they can fall in love with everyone. Then it made sense when I realized Ten was really thinking/talking about himself. Well, Ten really isn't the most considerate person around. Like the lonely God that he is, he sees his own image in everything and everyone. Ten can't bear being alone, yet he can only be happy with himself. Thus he tried to be with his dark self, the Master. This 'you can only be happy with yourself' thing is another evidence that he projects all his self-loathe side on Jack.