Okay, still no brain power but I'm awake so giving this a go. (1)Though they could, I suppose, pass it back and forth.
I did catch that Jack tossed the stopwatch to Ianto, but with Jack's "So" I assumed it was just a piece of equipment that they kept around from the previous experiments with the glove. I can't really imagine Jack leaving his personal-personal items lying about the hub. Seeing the idea that it belonged to Jack explored appeals to me, greatly, though. It certainly makes things interesting now just with the immediate scene at the end, but Ianto's exchange with Owen earlier.
(2) I wonder whether we'll see them again
All I've got is : So do I.
(3) I see the love triangle of Jack/Gwen/Suzie as being the psychologically significant one, not Owen/Gwen/Suzie.
I definitely see the important interaction here being about Jack, Gwen, and Suzie, but more about Suzie/Jack and Suzie/Gwen than Jack/Gwen. I don't know if it's because I don't read them right (and I admit I have a hard time comprehending the motivations going on beneath the surface there), but their interaction seemed almost incidental to me. To me the important things going on were Jack-Suzie; his killing her, immortality, her need for him to love her and let her replace Gwen again, and Gwen-Suzie for similar reasons. Jack/Gwen didn't seem to do much in the episode that struck me as important, and I'd love to hear what your thoughts are.
(4)while in "Countricide" Ianto says he never liked camping.
I never considered it a contradiction, but I'd never contemplated the potential explanations for it, either. I'm glad I have now, because there are a lot of them and they're fun.
(5) Interesting that Jack let Toshiko destroy the pendant
I definitely have a different take on this one. I definitely think Jack is using Torchwood to serve his own purposes, whatever those may be, but I also really think that Torchwood essentially belongs to Jack. He really seems to do what he wants to do - and I don't think that's because he's sneaky, but rather there's no one else that can (or will) tell him otherwise. I personally suspect he LIKES it, and likes what he's doing, but that he's the one doing it. Not just at Torchwood Three, but in general. I'm not sure I'm articulating what I mean well, but essentially: Yes, he's using Torchwood to do what he wants, but I don't particularly think there's any con involved.
(6) I have noticed the many references to something moving/lurking/coming in the dark, which originally didn't make much of an impression at all. I wrote it off as general spooky atmosphere.
I really, really, don't know what this means but I suspect it's something. The dark may be the void, it may not but I can't help being curious and really wanting to know.
(7) The more I watch, the more the characters seem well-drawn, with carefully set-up motivations and subtle revelations of purpose and character.
Yes, absolutely. The more I watch and pay attention the more I understand what's going on - or at least I think I do. Like you, it's not hte plot that makes more sense, it's the characters I grasp better. I still have only the vaguest idea what I think of Ianto, but Gwen I'm getting and I think I've got Tosh, Owen, and Jack (In reverse order).
(8) I continue to find the Jack/Gwen relationship extremely interesting. Gwen doesn't annoy me at all this time through, perhaps because I know what to expect from her.
Gwen is definitely becoming less annoying to me. Jack's relationship with and to Gwen is something that I still don't intuitively understand, but it does interest me and sometimes I get a flicker of emotional understanding that's helpful.
(9) Apparently the line "Guess you aren't from around these parts" is from Oklahoma!
Oh, like Jack liking musicals is a surprise *G*. Okay, it is a bit, because I hadn't thought about it, but now that I have it fits well. Really well.
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Date: 2007-02-27 10:53 am (UTC)(1)Though they could, I suppose, pass it back and forth.
I did catch that Jack tossed the stopwatch to Ianto, but with Jack's "So" I assumed it was just a piece of equipment that they kept around from the previous experiments with the glove. I can't really imagine Jack leaving his personal-personal items lying about the hub. Seeing the idea that it belonged to Jack explored appeals to me, greatly, though. It certainly makes things interesting now just with the immediate scene at the end, but Ianto's exchange with Owen earlier.
(2) I wonder whether we'll see them again
All I've got is : So do I.
(3) I see the love triangle of Jack/Gwen/Suzie as being the psychologically significant one, not Owen/Gwen/Suzie.
I definitely see the important interaction here being about Jack, Gwen, and Suzie, but more about Suzie/Jack and Suzie/Gwen than Jack/Gwen. I don't know if it's because I don't read them right (and I admit I have a hard time comprehending the motivations going on beneath the surface there), but their interaction seemed almost incidental to me. To me the important things going on were Jack-Suzie; his killing her, immortality, her need for him to love her and let her replace Gwen again, and Gwen-Suzie for similar reasons. Jack/Gwen didn't seem to do much in the episode that struck me as important, and I'd love to hear what your thoughts are.
(4)while in "Countricide" Ianto says he never liked camping.
I never considered it a contradiction, but I'd never contemplated the potential explanations for it, either. I'm glad I have now, because there are a lot of them and they're fun.
(5) Interesting that Jack let Toshiko destroy the pendant
I definitely have a different take on this one. I definitely think Jack is using Torchwood to serve his own purposes, whatever those may be, but I also really think that Torchwood essentially belongs to Jack. He really seems to do what he wants to do - and I don't think that's because he's sneaky, but rather there's no one else that can (or will) tell him otherwise. I personally suspect he LIKES it, and likes what he's doing, but that he's the one doing it. Not just at Torchwood Three, but in general. I'm not sure I'm articulating what I mean well, but essentially: Yes, he's using Torchwood to do what he wants, but I don't particularly think there's any con involved.
(6) I have noticed the many references to something moving/lurking/coming in the dark, which originally didn't make much of an impression at all. I wrote it off as general spooky atmosphere.
I really, really, don't know what this means but I suspect it's something. The dark may be the void, it may not but I can't help being curious and really wanting to know.
(7) The more I watch, the more the characters seem well-drawn, with carefully set-up motivations and subtle revelations of purpose and character.
Yes, absolutely. The more I watch and pay attention the more I understand what's going on - or at least I think I do. Like you, it's not hte plot that makes more sense, it's the characters I grasp better. I still have only the vaguest idea what I think of Ianto, but Gwen I'm getting and I think I've got Tosh, Owen, and Jack (In reverse order).
(8) I continue to find the Jack/Gwen relationship extremely interesting. Gwen doesn't annoy me at all this time through, perhaps because I know what to expect from her.
Gwen is definitely becoming less annoying to me. Jack's relationship with and to Gwen is something that I still don't intuitively understand, but it does interest me and sometimes I get a flicker of emotional understanding that's helpful.
(9) Apparently the line "Guess you aren't from around these parts" is from Oklahoma!
Oh, like Jack liking musicals is a surprise *G*. Okay, it is a bit, because I hadn't thought about it, but now that I have it fits well. Really well.
And I've covered 10 in my earlier comment.