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The perfect hero of the 16th century, and the perfect hero of the 20th.

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Date: 2006-11-01 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhayman.livejournal.com
And the same from me!!

(I take it that's one candle for every 160 years? ;-D)

Date: 2006-11-01 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Token candles... I considered repeating the picture 160 times, but that would be overkill.

Date: 2006-11-01 04:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
Hm...

What to do when one of one's best-beloved's doesn't have a recorded birthday?
A moveable feast?
Any excuse for a party whenever?

Date: 2006-11-01 04:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
Delightful, anyway!
I don't think any of my favourite fictionals has a birthday.
Nor do some of my historical pets... (though some have 2 due to calendar change).

Date: 2006-11-01 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
It's definitely a problem with the 12th century: few of my guys have birthdates. We're lucky if we know what decade they were born in. Drives me nuts.

Many of my later heroes have birthdays: I always celebrate Shelley's, one way or another, even if just with a private toast.

Thanks to the astrology angle, Lymond's birthday is a plot point in the novels, so we are able to celebrate it.

Date: 2006-11-01 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I like the 'excuse for a party' idea. We could pick memorial days.

With Conrad, we could do like they do with the Saints, and celebrate the 'feast-day' of his death, in honour. Though that tends to strike me as a little morbid. Better, I think, to celebrate his victory at Tyre. I think he would like that to be remembered, rather than just his death.

Date: 2006-11-01 05:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
The anniversary of his death is 28 April, which I tend to commemorate anyway (usually with wine and Italian food).
Siege of Tyre... The start or the end? The end overlaps with New Year celebrations.

Date: 2006-11-01 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Hmm. April. Am I wrong, or do April dates often also overlap with dates of Easter? In any case, 28 April is a nice memorial date... and Italian food is always worth celebrating!

Date: 2006-11-01 06:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
Indeed! Poor darling!
Another date we could use as his 'official birthday' is his first documented appearance, which is 22 September 1160.

Date: 2006-11-01 06:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
Pattie can have 2 birthdays, because the calendar change took place when he was 8!

Date: 2006-11-01 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com
Where is the pic from? is that the one Dunnett painted of him? (I've always wanted to see that!)

Date: 2006-11-01 06:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] majkia.livejournal.com
ugh. I FORCED myself to read the first book of that series. And again, told how truly wonderful Dunnet was and how truly magnificent Lymond was, I forced myself to get halfway through the second.

I absolutely HATED the books and HATED worse, Lymond.

Just goes to show, to each her own.

Date: 2006-11-01 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I like that. Easy to remember, since it's so close to my birthday (only two days earlier), and the same as Bilbo and Frodo Baggins.

Date: 2006-11-01 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Did he get an extra birthday party out of it?

Date: 2006-11-01 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I didn't know Dorothy Dunnett painted a picture of Lymond. Fascinating! The only portrait I knew of that she did of one of her own characters was a beautiful portrait of Archie Abernethy, which she had hanging in her studio. (The buyer had died, and his widow didn't want it.)

That picture is from one of the published paperbacks - I don't remember which one. An American edition, I think - it's not one I've ever owned.

Date: 2006-11-01 06:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
People seem to have made the transition pretty smoothly - but we could have 2 parties for him!

I can also double up on anniversaries for all my Russians, too, because of the calendar issue there!

Date: 2006-11-01 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Hee. I've heard other people have that reaction, so you're not alone. Myself, I fell in love with Lymond on page 3 or 4 and never stopped loving him - or Dorothy Dunnett's style. "The Game of Kings" (the one you hated)has been my favourite novel since I was fifteen years old.

It's a 'love it or hate it' thing, I guess.

Date: 2006-11-01 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
This is starting to sound of dubious morality. Party-mongering, you know? I am all for party-mongering, but I'm looking for an iron-clad excuse.

Date: 2006-11-01 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com
I don't know how accurate it is, but word went round Dunnett fandom in the late seventies or early eighties that she had painted a portrait of him. (We do know she was an artist; her portrait of her spouse reputedly hung in the National Gallery in Edinborough.)

Date: 2006-11-01 07:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
The hobbit thing would certainly boggle him a bit!

Date: 2006-11-01 07:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
Scottish National Portrait Gallery, Edinburgh.

Date: 2006-11-01 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com
Thank you for the corrections.

Date: 2006-11-01 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Yes, I've seen a number of her portraits - if one of Lymond exists, we must find a way to track it down! I wonder who wouls have it?

Date: 2006-11-01 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
You mean the portrait of Alastair, not of Lymond, right?

Date: 2006-11-01 07:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
Unfortunately, my copy of the catalogue isn't up to date enough to include it, but I think I've seen her portrait of her husband there.
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