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Another evening spent watching Doctor Who with Beulah at Sandi and Pat's place. We watched The Rise of the Cybermen - and we'd only planned to watch one episode, but when it came to a 'to be continued' ending, everyone wanted to go on to the next episode. I was the only one who knew it was going to end of a cliffhanger.... And then afterwards, I had a terrible time keeping my mouth shut and not muttering spoilers for later on. I particularly enjoyed the English President this time round, and Jake, whom I hadn't taken much notice of before.

A detail I'd missed first time round was that when he's wearing his tux, the Doctor fashionably changes to black basketball shoes.

I like Rose's stubborness, and the way the Doctor deals with her. I like his collusion with Mickey when Mickey is working at the computer in the zeppelin. I like the Doctor's distress over the Tardis in the beginning, and I like the mushy ending, which to my eyes seems just the right touch for Mickey. His finest moments.

Just watched a Doctor Who music vid that I really liked, Let That Be Enough by Nikki Bell.

I'm still living on liquids, with the occasional mushy noodle or bit of yogurt. Ordeal with the dentist tomorrow. Those whirling drills and blades and scalpels that Cybus Inc. used to make Cybermen out of people were pretty scaring as I contemplated what is facing me.

Date: 2006-07-20 01:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
Commiserations over the dentistry!
I have sent you a small care-package to cheer you up/possibly infuriate: 3 Crusades movies from 1930s, '50s and (Egyptian) '60s. All deeply strange, with heavy Walter Scott influences...

Date: 2006-07-20 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Commiserations over the dentistry!

Only a few hours away... I'm trying not to think about it... But I keep picturing those whirring blades from "Age of Steel"...

Thank you for the care package, I look forward to being suitably infuriated or bemused!

Date: 2006-07-20 02:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
But I keep picturing those whirring blades from "Age of Steel"...

If the dentist turns you into a cyberman, I think you can ask for your money back.

Thank you for the care package, I look forward to being suitably infuriated or bemused!

Lots of Richardolatry - even by the Egyptians in Saladin. King Richard & the Crusaders has Rex Harrison as Saladin. And he sings. Guy only appears in the Egyptian film - as a grey-bearded elderly man! Meanwhile, poor Conrad features in all 3 films as an evil, sneaky, corrupt, stereotyped Latin villain.

Date: 2006-07-20 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wijsgeer.livejournal.com
oh dear,

sending healing rays your way.

I remember seeing a horrormovie about a murderous psychiatrist who hypnotised his patients and then let them commit suicide with a stanley-knife. (He had put protective plastic all over his furniture so the splashing of his victim's blood wouldn't spoil it.) This was the night before my first appointment with a psychiatrist. Such a nice coincidence.

It went all right with me, surely you won't be changed into a cyberman (it would help against the pain though)

Date: 2006-07-20 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
sending healing rays your way.

Thank you!

He had put protective plastic all over his furniture so the splashing of his victim's blood wouldn't spoil it

Uh-oh! There's a lot of plastic in my dentist's office. And I always thought Dr. Barnes was such a nice man....

I do remember once watching "Marathon Man", in which an evil Nazi dentist goes after Dustin Hoffman with a drill, the day before I went for an appointment with my dentist. I told him that. He was amused, but his assistant was even more amused. "They considered Dr. Barnes to take the role in the movie," she said, "but they didn't give it to him, he was too mean!"

I was was a Cyberman, I'd be feeling no pain....

Date: 2006-07-20 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
If the dentist turns you into a cyberman, I think you can ask for your money back.

Yes, and so I should. Cybermen don't have teeth.

Lots of Richardolatry - even by the Egyptians in Saladin.

How times change!

King Richard & the Crusaders has Rex Harrison as Saladin.

Marginally better than Rex Harrison as Julius Caesar. How did he get miscast in all these strange movies? To me, he'll always be Henry Higgins. (Or possibly 'Enry 'Iggins.)

Guy only appears in the Egyptian film - as a grey-bearded elderly man!

Poor Guy never got to be elderly, though I suppose his experiences as King (and not-King) might have aged him before his time.

I look forward to Conrad's villainy and I promise not to believe a word of it.

Date: 2006-07-20 04:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
The other memorable movie dentist is in Little Shop of Horrors. In the musical version, he's played by Steve Martin and has a great song, Be a Dentist!. I think it's Jack Nicholson in the Corman original.

Date: 2006-07-20 04:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
How times change!

Well, the Egyptian director, Chahine, is a Christian, and he makes the hero of his story a Christian Arab with Saladin's forces, who falls for a (fictional) relative of Guy's, Louise de Lusignan. Since Chahine was educated at a British boarding school in Egypt (he later made a star of a fellow pupil, Michel Shaloub, who converted to Islam as 'Omar Sharif'!), he clearly had read Scott. There are nods to Ivanhoe and The Talisman in the plot.

Poor Guy never got to be elderly, though I suppose his experiences as King (and not-King) might have aged him before his time.

Indeed - he was just a few years younger than my boy, I think, and died 2 years later. He'd be about 44, wasn't he?

I look forward to Conrad's villainy and I promise not to believe a word of it.

It's awful... DeMille's The Crusades even has him scheming at Phil's court and with John, when in reality he was already defending Tyre against whatever Saladin could throw at it. This is taken from Hewlett's 1900 novel, The Life and Death of Richard Yea-and-Nay. In King Richard & the Crusaders, he's described as a "Venetian": has nobody looked at a map of Italy?!

And of course, he is never played as the gorgeous blond he was...

King Richard & the Crusaders turns Scott's villainous Templars into a fictional order of "Castellanes", to avoid upsetting the Hollywood Masonic community.

Date: 2006-07-20 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
the Egyptian director, Chahine, is a Christian, and he makes the hero of his story a Christian Arab with Saladin's forces, who falls for a (fictional) relative of Guy's, Louise de Lusignan.

I'm glad you mentioned that she was fictional - otherwise I'd be panicking to discover a Lusignan I'd never heard of! Actually, "Louise" is way too tame a name for a Lugisnan. IMHO, of course.


DeMille's The Crusades even has him scheming at Phil's court and with John

Now, that's a villanous pairing I hadn't come across before! (Mercifully.)


King Richard & the Crusaders turns Scott's villainous Templars into a fictional order of "Castellanes", to avoid upsetting the Hollywood Masonic community.

LOL. Such is Hollywood history!

Date: 2006-07-20 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
In the musical version, he's played by Steve Martin and has a great song, Be a Dentist!.

I've heard that song - I'd forgotten all about it! Never saw that show, but I'd like to.

Date: 2006-07-20 05:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
I'm glad you mentioned that she was fictional

Very. She's described as an "officer in the Hospitallers", and first appears as a knight!

Now, that's a villanous pairing I hadn't come across before! (Mercifully.)

Yup! Phil doesn't come out of any of the films well, either. In King Richard & the Crusaders he's played by one of Fred Flintstone's voice actors (a Canadian actor), and in Saladin, he is blamed for the massacre of the Acre prisoners, when in reality he'd set off home by then! (I think this is because of the Algerian War, in that case.)

Date: 2006-07-20 05:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
I look forward to Conrad's villainy and I promise not to believe a word of it.

It just makes me so protective of him, when he's mistreated this way...

Date: 2006-07-20 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
That's okay, we're here to speak up on his behalf!

Date: 2006-07-20 06:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
Indeed! (Virtually hugs him (gently) and [livejournal.com profile] fajrdrako)

Date: 2006-07-20 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jedichad.livejournal.com
I hope everything went well at the dentist! I really enjoyed reading your thoughts on Rise of the Cybermen. Jake was a cutie!

Date: 2006-07-21 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] monsieureden.livejournal.com
So what exactly is the dentist going to do with a cracked tooth? Obviously more involved than a filling? *pets*

Date: 2006-07-21 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
The dentist said I'd lost an impressive 4 mm of tooth.

Date: 2006-07-21 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
I hope everything went well at the dentist!

It was relatively painless, but there isn't much that beats the boredom and annoyance of lying in a chair unable to do anything at all while various implements do mysterious things inside one's mouth for an hour and a half.

I did not emerge as a Cyberman, for which I am thankful.

Yeah, Jake was a cutie. If I could latch onto a good idea for a story, I might write Jake slash.... I wonder if we'll ever see him in third season?


Or conversely... There was a Mickey in our world and a Jake in the other one. Perhaps there is a Jake in our world too?

Hmmm...

Date: 2006-07-21 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] monsieureden.livejournal.com
Impressive! lol.

Date: 2006-08-21 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Phil doesn't come out of any of the films well, either.

I confess, I always picture him as the pretty young Timothy Dalton of The Lion in Winter, which perhaps gives me a prejudice in his favour. Not to mention Jonathan Rhys Meyers in the Patrick Stewart version, who hasn't worked his way into my psyche but it's one of my favourite actors in one of my favourite roles. Not to be sneezed at.

Phil doesn't come out of any of the films well, either.

snort!

and in Saladin, he is blamed for the massacre of the Acre prisoners, when in reality he'd set off home by then!

Well, by all means, blame him for not preventing the massacre, then.

Date: 2006-08-21 08:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
Jonathan Rhys-Meyers' Phil looks more as I imagine a healthier Baldwin IV would have done!

and in Saladin, he is blamed for the massacre of the Acre prisoners, when in reality he'd set off home by then!
Well, by all means, blame him for not preventing the massacre, then.


Poor Phil! They actually have him ordering the slaughter, which Richard doesn't approve of!!!!

Date: 2006-08-21 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Jonathan Rhys-Meyers' Phil looks more as I imagine a healthier Baldwin IV would have done!

That's a nice casting thought.

They actually have him ordering the slaughter, which Richard doesn't approve of!!

I had thought that all the sources - even the historians who are trying to put Richard in a good light - agreed he ordered the massacre? My interpretation has always been that it was a cruel military gamble on Richard's part, that didn't pay off. Its justification was supposed to be victory.

Date: 2006-08-21 08:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
Jonathan Rhys-Meyers' Phil looks more as I imagine a healthier Baldwin IV would have done!
That's a nice casting thought.


Or poor little Renier Alerami, with his sunlit hair.

I had thought that all the sources - even the historians who are trying to put Richard in a good light - agreed he ordered the massacre? My interpretation has always been that it was a cruel military gamble on Richard's part, that didn't pay off. Its justification was supposed to be victory.

Yes - of course it was Richard's doing, but the Egyptian film has Phil standing there ordering it, because it was made in 1963 and they wanted to have a poke at France because of the Algerian war.

Date: 2006-08-21 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
You'd think "Coeur-de-lion" was French enough for anybody.

Date: 2006-08-21 08:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] silverwhistle.livejournal.com
Not for 20C film-makers...

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