LOST: Man of Science, Man of Faith

[fajrdrako]

So Jack is the man of the title - not so much a man of both science and faith, as a man torn between the two. Or did I misunderstand? Is he a man of science, trying to cling to his science and deny his faith?

I wonder what happened to his wife later.

My LOST supper party went well. We watched "Exodus 2" at about 7 p.m. - the last episode of last season, which blackbyrde hadn't seen yet. Then we watched the overview thing at 8, talking during it because we'd mostly seen all the episodes. Then the new episode.

There was a fair amount of shrieking and face-covering and laughing and speculation.

My comments:

- Desmond: what the heck? We thought it was him (from the hair and the fitness) but couldn't sort out the sense. Many theories abounded: Cylons, clones, evil twins, leprechauns, ghosts.... Was Desmond in the hatch waiting for his relief? Or his boss/employer/leader?

- Not much Sayid. No Sawyer, with or without his shirt. Huh.

- If I were Shannon, I wouldn't be running around in the jungle in the dark after Vincent. She may think, or pretend to think, that no one ever asked her to do anything before, but we've seen several occasions where people asked her to do things. Boone asked her to help set up the camp when she was sunbathing. (She continued to sunbathe.) Sayid asked her to watch his suitcase in the airport. (She framed him with security.)

- Scary scene with Walt. Dripping.

- My friend were all laughing at Jack's hair in the flashback scenes but I thought he looked great.

- Why did Jack go down the hatch? Why did he change his mind? Was he feeling concerned about Kate? Was it that he decided to go for faith over reason, or was he just restless?

- We concluded that the big room with the geodesic dome in the underground complex is under water. That means the tunnel must be awfully long, though, if it's half a mile inland of the caves and the caves are inland from the beach. Still... I keep wondering why that cable leads from the beach into the water. The one Sayid tripped over in "Solitary".

- Why the old-fashioned computers and electronics? The old record player? The technology covered various decades .... I speculated it was one of the secret headquarters of U.N.C.L.E., with a jungle instead of a dry cleaning shop on top.

- is Jack central to something, or is it just chance that he ended up on the island? I liked his conversation with Hurley about the numbers.

- Did Charley take the heroin or not?

Comments

[star-maple.livejournal.com]

Did you catch what was written on the wall below the hatch? Creeeeeepy.

[squashed.livejournal.com]

is Jack central to something, or is it just chance that he ended up on the island

I don't think any of them are there by chance. Not for one second.

And I think everything underground is old technology because its been there (with its occupant) for a very long time.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

I would agree that the technology has been there a long time; but some of it dates from the 1980s and some from the 1960s, so it isn't all from the same time. And we know Desmond was in the States (wherever Jack was) about the time he met his wife.... If we can guess when that was. It can't be too long ago, since Jack was already a surgeon. Unless Desmond is a clone or something.

The show sure does keep me guessing.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

I only remember the 108. I must have missed something. What else was there?

[squashed.livejournal.com]

I'm not convinced the guy was real. He knew about the miracle and there does seem to be some sort of... apparition element about the island -- Shannon seeing Walt -- I don't believe he was actually there where he saw here, just somehow projected there. I know that sounds crazy, but this *is* Lost ;)

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

You think Shannon didn't see Walt? I actually agree but I'm not sure what she was seeing.... He was very spooky.

Desmond seems physical enough. But it might not be the same Desmond. I kept making Cylon jokes - that he's Number 13 or something.

Whatever the explanation is, it's not going to be anything mundane!

[squashed.livejournal.com]

I think the Desmond down the hatch is real and I think he's been there for a very very long time. I think the Desmond Jack saw in the stadium was some sort of projection. "See you in another lifetime" Because they are all connected somehow. Locke is right about destiny though likely not in the way that he thinks.

And I do believe she saw Walt, but I don't believe that Walt was actually physically there. Again, I think it was some sort of projection. Like he's calling for help and there's something about the island that can take that energy and project it. And that's what she saw.

I don't know -- I'm just speculating and lord only knows where they're going to go with it. But as you say, it won't be anything mundane! Or, hey, it might be in the end, just to really fool us all *grins*

[star-maple.livejournal.com]

Yeah, 108. Which is 4+8+15+16+23+42.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Eeek!

So is 108 really the significant number? Or is it simply a contraction or symbol for 4815162342? Or is it that 4815162342 has magical dangerous properties and should not be repeated or used? Hurley might think so....

[star-maple.livejournal.com]

I have no idea... but I'm sure they'll just leave us hanging until a season finale... Not necessarily season 2's season finale either. I'm guessing season 6. ;)

To me, it all depends on if the numbers engraved on the hatch are the source of the numbers or just another case that proves the numbers are EVIL. If the hatch has the first instance of the numbers perhaps they are just a simple ID number for the make and model or location of the hatch and the creepy island mojo saw the numbers and turned them evil everywhere.

It looks to me like the guy has a lot of free time on his hands, so maybe the mural is an attempt to understand the numbers some way. He sees freaky stuff going on involving them and he tries to figure out why, so he tries to add them together. Maybe there's another mural where they're multiplied. Maybe he's been stationed here as part of some kind of scientific investigation about the numbers, where the island is the ground zero for number related weirdness and he's been locked up here until he figures it out.

And also... does his computer control the Island Monster? Or is he merely reporting his progress to some Evil Island Numbers headquarters?

I hope that this is diplomatic enough - I don't want to offend you

[gem225.livejournal.com]

I'd really appreciate it if you'd put it and any other posts you make in the future about current episodes of any show under an lj-cut. It's your call, and I won't unfriend you or be pissed if you don't, but I'd really appreciate it. I like making the choice to be spoiled, if that makes sense.

I'm almost through with Season 1 - just have to watch the extras. Ah, how I love "Lost". :-)

[iibnf.livejournal.com]

Happy birthday, E!

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Hee - Thank you! Nothing beats a birthday: candles and cake and a chance to indulge.

Re: I hope that this is diplomatic enough - I don't want to offend you

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Oops, sorry, I just didn't think of it - I'm clueless sometimes! I'll try to be more careful.

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

I'm sure they'll leave us hanging one way or another - with this or a dozen other things.

Interesting point: are the numbers on the hatch a cause or a symptom? I'm guessing they're simply one instance of the numbers' use.... that its real significance is elsewhere. It does provide an interesting link.

Yes, I wonder what Desmond knows, or thinks he knows, about the island and his role there. He didn't look like a mutant mastermind. But then... how can we be sure what a mutant mastermind looks like?

I think he's reporting to someone, or some group. And I think he's as much their victim and pawn as our plane-crash survivors are.

Re: I hope that this is diplomatic enough - I don't want to offend you

[gem225.livejournal.com]

Thank you, my friend. That's very kind of you. I really appreciate it.

Happy birthday!

Re: I hope that this is diplomatic enough - I don't want to offend you

[fajrdrako.livejournal.com]

Thank you!