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[livejournal.com profile] nina_ds asked me what was going on in Canada and I answered her, then decided to repost it here in case anyone else is curious. After all, it's not every day something happens in Canadian politics that is actually interesting. Sit-up-and-take-notice interesting.

Here's my quick-simple version of events, and remember that (a) I ignore political news as much as I possibly can, so I'm hardly an expert on any of it, and (b) I am not unbiased. It is, after all, the unfolding history of my country that's going on here. Commentary and correction from my more politcally-astute friends is welcome.
  1. We had a federal election in October, possibly the most boring election ever held anywhere. The Conservatives ended up with enough seats in Parliament to from the Government, with their leader, Steven Harper, as Prime Minister. Again.

  2. Steven Harper announced the new Budget last week. It was so stupid and useless that it was about to trigger a non-confidence motion in Parliament. Significant details: it didn't address the Recession, which is on everyone's mind, and Harper tried to cut funding to political parties.

  3. Here's where the tricky and unusual bit comes. Usually a vote of non-confidence means a new election. But we just had a big, expensive (and did I mention boring?) election in October. So instead of that, the Liberals and the New Democratic Party decided to join together in what they called the Coalition. There are more Conservative seats in Parliament than either NDP or Liberal, but put the Liberals and the NDP together and they have a party with enough seats to hold power. The Bloc Quebecois (which is most of the remainder of Parliament) agreed to support this amalgamation.

    This move would topple Harper as PM and make Liberal Leader Stephane Dion the new Prime Minister.

    With me so far?

  4. On Wednesday, the evening before this was going to happen, Harper appeared on television to beg the people of Canada to keep him as PM because, well, anything else was unCanadian. (He used the word 'illegal' and hinted at the word 'treasonous'.)

  5. The next morning, Harper went to Governor-General Michaelle Jean and asked her to suspend Parliament - because if Parliament can't sit, they can't form the Coalition government and can't boot him out of power.

  6. The Governor-General agreed to this and Parliament is prorogued, which is the technical word for the suspension. Parliament can now not sit until the end of January. Till then, we technically have a government in power, the Conservatives, but nobody can do anything.

  7. Harper is now writing another, better Budget speech to present at the end of January, hoping it won't get him ousted.


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Date: 2008-12-05 02:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] catslash.livejournal.com
Oh, wow. Thanks for this; I was wondering what was going on, but didn't know where to find a quick summary. That is some crazytimes.

Date: 2008-12-05 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teenygozer.livejournal.com
Isn't the Governor-General basically the British crown's representative in Canada? Heh... how cool would it be if you guys threw some tea in a harbor and started carrying signs that said, "Taxation without Representation is Tyranny"?

Date: 2008-12-05 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
put the Liberal and NDP together and they have a party with a majority.

No they don't, which is part of the problem. The Liberals have 77 seats and the NDP have 37, which together is still 29 seats fewer than the 143 CPC seats. This is why the Bloc had to sign off on the deal, because the Coalition needs their 49 seats to outvote the Conservatives.

I suspect if the Lib + NDP total was 144 or higher, the GG might have signed off on the coalition government, especially if "or higher" exceeded 155 seats. In fact, I wonder if in the case where Lib+NDP = 155+ we might not have seen a Lib+NDP government right off the bat.

Date: 2008-12-05 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
Isn't the Governor-General basically the British crown's representative in Canada?

In the same sense that Barack Obama is in fact a 70-foot-tall radioactive Japanese lizard, which is to say not at all.

how cool would it be if you guys threw some tea in a harbor and started carrying signs that said, "Taxation without Representation is Tyranny"?

It would be enormously stupid, at least if aimed at Britain. We don't pay taxes to Britain.

Unlike our cousins to the south, we're moderately good about not stripping the vote from people (although at one time you could lose the vote for the more egregious affronts against polite society, like being a unrepentant native or flagrant Mennonitism). In fact, the courts decided that the criminally insane cannot be legally barred from voting, which raises some interesting logistical issues with polling stations. This decision came down shortly before the Conservatives made significant gains in the House.

Date: 2008-12-05 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
No they don't, which is part of the problem.

Woops, I mis-spoke. Thanks for the correction. (Is my rephrasing accurate?) I knew the numbers but not the arithmetic.

I wonder if in the case where Lib+NDP = 155+ we might not have seen a Lib+NDP government right off the bat.

I wondered that too. And I wish.

Date: 2008-12-05 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Thanks for this

You're welcome.

That is some crazytimes.

Shaking things up a little. Maybe.

Date: 2008-12-05 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maaseru.livejournal.com
Good summary. My only comment would be re #1, The Conservatives really only had 38% of the votes, giving them only a minority government. 62% of the rest of us split votes between the other parties, and that's why Harper is so vulnerable. Too bad he's so arrogant that he didn't even care what the reaction would be to his nasty, picayune attack on the irritants in his life. If he'd brought even one good economic measure out in that juvenile package of nonsense, none of this would have happened.

Date: 2008-12-05 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Isn't the Governor-General basically the British crown's representative in Canada?

It's the Queen of Canada she represents, as I understand it. The fact that the Queen of Canada and the Queen of England is the same person is a sort of historical artifact or accident.

how cool would it be if you guys threw some tea in a harbor

We're more likely to drink it, instead. Canadians aren't into precipitous acts of defiance.

Date: 2008-12-05 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
In the same sense that Barack Obama is in fact a 70-foot-tall radioactive Japanese lizard

LOL. Been watching too many Godzilla movies lately?

In fact, the courts decided that the criminally insane cannot be legally barred from voting, which raises some interesting logistical issues with polling stations. This decision came down shortly before the Conservatives made significant gains in the House.

Well said.

Date: 2008-12-05 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
Canadians aren't into precipitous acts of defiance.

Or precipitous acts of anything, really. It took us 40 years to decide on a design for the new flag and over a century to select words for our national anthem.

Date: 2008-12-05 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Conservatives really only had 38% of the votes, giving them only a minority government

Good point. I rephrased a little, hoping to clarify.

If he'd brought even one good economic measure out in that juvenile package of nonsense, none of this would have happened.

I wish he had! Any hint that the Government had any idea of what to do, and that they were going to do it, would have been most welcome. One good idea. As it is, the government looks stupid as well as helpless.

Date: 2008-12-05 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Or precipitous acts of anything, really.

Hmm. Point. I'm trying to think of an exception, but... Hmm. No. Nothing comes to mind. Do you think we might be hockey-playing Ents in disguise?

Date: 2008-12-05 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
Well, the Liberals have won majorities with not much more than that 38% and nobody complained about that (Aside from the PCs, the NDP and the Bloc and who cares what they think? They're not Liberals). Just because the CPC happen to be baby-eating reactionary monsters who no doubt are plotting the destruction of everything good and decent in the world should not mean that they can't exploit the same foibles of the Canadian system as the Natural Ruling Party.

Harper probably figured that with Dion on his way out, the Liberals are very weak (and broke), that cooperation between the NDP and Liberals was very unlikely and also pointless because they have fewer seats together than Harper does and that that the three opposition parties could not cooperate long enough to foil him given that they cannot affort to fight another election right now. "What if they form a Three Party Coalition and take my toys away" probably never occured to him.

Date: 2008-12-05 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
Well, the Conservatives hanged Riel quick enough when they got their hands on him. See how well that worked out for them?

Date: 2008-12-05 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duncanmac.livejournal.com
It took us ... over a century to select words for our national anthem.

Strictly speaking, no. The national anthem we use was originally in (Quebecois) French, and the (utterly pompous) French lyrics have not changed since the anthem was originally composed. It's the English lyrics that have been changed several times, before finally settling down in 1980.

Date: 2008-12-05 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Not the best precedent for future planning.

The National Anthem...

Date: 2008-12-05 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Do you think that's the end of it? I'm not entirely happy with the current state of the words, particularly the reference to God. But I can live with it.

Date: 2008-12-05 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fajrdrako.livejournal.com
Harper probably figured that with Dion on his way out, the Liberals are very weak (and broke)

That might well have been his reasoning. But isn't it also true then that they hadn't much to lose - and were pushed into the corner? Desperation too can precipitate action.

"What if they form a Three Party Coalition and take my toys away" probably never occured to him.

Which explains why his reaction reflected fear rather than strategy.

Date: 2008-12-05 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dewline.livejournal.com
We might consider either appointing Mme. Jean as a more permanent sort of monarch, or importing one of the UK Royals as an alternative form of monarch in residence. If we decide in sufficient numbers to start asking for such things.

Re: The National Anthem...

Date: 2008-12-05 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
I replace "God" with "Gretzky".

Date: 2008-12-05 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
Doesn't he also have a couple of legal cases coming up where his position as PM is a great asset? So the timing is bad.

Date: 2008-12-05 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dewline.livejournal.com
On point one: Tom Flanagan, in his capacity as past-and-occasionally-still mentor to Mr. Harper, has mused on the desirability of fiscally bankrupting the Liberals with election after election. If this "financial update" was intended to be the casus belli, thereby suckering the Liberals into further aiding and abetting their own financial destruction, it's fizzling out so far.

Date: 2008-12-05 04:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gillo
That's roughly what I thought was happening. A major constitutional crisis, IOW, but one relying on inaction by the majority. I have to say that I do not approve of the actions of the G-G, but I can see she's in a tricky position. Harper appears to be a dickhead.

I'm assuming "Conservative" means somewhere to the right of Barack Obama, or at least in his vicinity? But adhering to Thatcherite monetarist values. Not fun, and this is not a moment to do nothing. Good luck with that.

Date: 2008-12-05 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duncanmac.livejournal.com
... Harper tried to cut funding to all the other political parties.

Actually, no. The original proposal, as specified, was to cut taxpayer funding to all political parties, including the Conservatives themselves. The intent of the proposal was considerably more even-handed than one may think. I should note that such a proposal has the considerable drawback of partly "Americanizing" the Canadian political landscape (if you aren't rich or have a lot of supporters, you usually aren't allowed to be on the ballot in most of the US). [However, we Canucks do not have the restrictive "sore loser" laws enacted in most U.S. states that seem so clearly un-democratic.]

If such a proposal had been raised during the election campaign, especially after the first stock market crash in late September, I would have been decidedly more sympathetic. The sheer crassness of the proposal now is in its timing; Reform/Tories have paid off their debts, but the Liberals and the NDP are rather badly mired in debt since the last election in mid-October. [Why can't the NDP, in particular, be more fiscally responsible? They have the backing of large organizations, such as several trade unions.] As I have said elsewhere (http://duncanmac.livejournal.com/8556.html), trusting a government handout of any kind can leave you up the proverbial creek without any means of propulsion when said government decides to cut funding for whatever reason it chooses.

I am also offended at the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc for their sheer crassness. Again, not a peep about such a "coalition" was raised during the election; it took a threat to cut taxpayer funding to them that caused them to unite now.

An apt comment I have seen elsewhere is that the politicians on Parliament Hill are behaving "like five-year-olds in the grip of a tantrum." Unfortunately, many Canadians are not aware of all the details, leading to results like this poll (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/04/parliament-poll.html).

The upshot of it is that nothing will be done about the economic mess till Parliament returns on Jan. 26. Good shot, Mr. Harper. :-(

Date: 2008-12-05 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
The way the position of Governor General works is not the problem. Replacing her is like buying new seat covers for a car after the driver ties one on.
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